Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Amongst the large nations, the UK is unique in not disclosing any recovered case data.

Johns Hopkins site has somehow decided there are 957 UK recoveries.

As I have said before, the number of recoveries in Downing Street alone almost gets there. Makes you wonder if some saint was buried by a well in the basement...

I have long thought that recoveries is a very important factor.

 

[oyster]

Londoners have been considerably easing lockdown for well over two weeks, in some details with official approval, and from being previously by far the worst affected part of the UK is now greatly improved. Quote:

"London has recorded a particularly rapid decline. The average number of new deaths in the capital – which has been consistently the worst-hit region in the country – has dropped to almost the level of the Midlands."

So the situation isn't as clear cut as you feel it is and bringing thousands to court would be very foolish indeed. Now more than ever the support of the community is needed and prosecuting on a large scale would only breed defiant disobedience.
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I am utterly confused as to which shops are open!

Seems some garden centres are open now. M&S has most of its ground floor available for people to pick up items as they queue for the food hall. But they have turned off towards half their refrigerated displays.

 

[oyster]

We all know The Eagle Has Landed. Now the swan has taken off...

Full report released - by The Guardian:

Revealed: the secret report that gave ministers warning of care home coronavirus crisis

Care providers say government did not discuss key Exercise Cygnus concerns with them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

 

[oldgroaner]

Slight snag. Judging by the performance of our governments for a few decades, few would last a week and some only one day.

Once again we'd be matching Italy!
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Think of the FUN, and at least they would be far too busy to want Brexit!

 

[oldgroaner]

We all know The Eagle Has Landed. Now the swan has taken off...

Full report released - by The Guardian:

Revealed: the secret report that gave ministers warning of care home coronavirus crisis

Care providers say government did not discuss key Exercise Cygnus concerns with them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

Are you sure it wasn't a ruptured Duck (or grouse)

 

[oldgroaner]

This hasn't aged well
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'The real hero of Jaws is the mayor. A gigantic fish is eating all your constituents and he decides to keep the beaches open. OK, in that instance he was actually wrong. But in principle, we need more politicians like the Mayor.' - Boris Johnson, 2006.

I remain baffled, how could anyone, anywhere ever have voted for this blithering idiot?
I'm sorry but I do not believe for a microsecond, even though I don't like Corbyn that he wouldn't have had the sheer guts to make the right decision at the right time and saved not merely thousands of lives, but reduced the vast damage now being done to the economy

 

[oldgroaner]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

Somehow after reading through this I didn't see anything you could regards as practical
Nothing on methodology of control of incoming people with the virus
Nothing on testing tracing and isolation
Nothing on the use of lockdown
Nothing on relaxing a lockdown how when and where.

I must be getting old, and will go through it again

 

[Danidl]

Johns Hopkins site has somehow decided there are 957 UK recoveries.

As I have said before, the number of recoveries in Downing Street alone almost gets there. Makes you wonder if some saint was buried by a well in the basement...

I have long thought that recoveries is a very important factor.

That figure is absurd... The Irish figures in comparison are 17k out of 23k cases recovered, and 1.2k deaths , with 6k being treated and 90 in ICU.
And we are just going into a slow relaxation of rules. 2km goes to 5km, 4 people together not 2 , slightly more shops opening and limited construction .
What we have yet failed to do is mandatory quarantine of visitors .. the NI border is part of that problem. If we could agree a whole Island protocol we both North and South would be in a better place.

 

[Woosh]

John Hopkins only did the hosting.
The UK did not keep the number of recovered patients up to date.
I don't know why we try so hard to be different.

 

[Danidl]

Londoners have been considerably easing lockdown for well over two weeks, in some details with official approval, and from being previously by far the worst affected part of the UK is now greatly improved. Quote:

"London has recorded a particularly rapid decline. The average number of new deaths in the capital – which has been consistently the worst-hit region in the country – has dropped to almost the level of the Midlands."

So the situation isn't as clear cut as you feel it is and bringing thousands to court would be very foolish indeed. Now more than ever the support of the community is needed and prosecuting on a large scale would only breed defiant disobedience.
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Flecc, you obviously know the minds of Londoners better than I but I can assure you that the few prosecutions here in Ireland have been well published and very well received. There is a genuine feeling of .." How dare they put me and my loved ones in danger ".
The Gardai have been very selective in prosecutions ,. I have been stopped 3 times to date, but since the function is essential , all I get are cheery waves.

 

[flecc]

I am utterly confused as to which shops are open!

Seems some garden centres are open now. M&S has most of its ground floor available for people to pick up items as they queue for the food hall. But they have turned off towards half their refrigerated displays.

They, people and businesses, are doing their own thing, deciding for themselves what is excused lockdown. It's not surprising given the very mixed messages the government have been issuing from the outset, and our police forces haven't helped.
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[flecc]

Flecc, you obviously know the minds of Londoners better than I but I can assure you that the few prosecutions here in Ireland have been well published and very well received. There is a genuine feeling of .." How dare they put me and my loved ones in danger ".
The Gardai have been very selective in prosecutions ,. I have been stopped 3 times to date, but since the function is essential , all I get are cheery waves.

There's been a great deal of anger at many of the government's ill thought out edicts which actually endangered people, like shutting parks leaving Londoners to exercise in crowded streets and banning people from driving to where exercise was safer. That forced our authorities to quickly change their minds, parks were reopened and are being well used and the CPS said people can after all drive to a safer area to exercise.

The outcome is that both people and businesses have been increasingly taking matters into their own hands to make decisions better suited to their circumstances, and that appears to have paid off as our rapidly improving London situation shows.

I haven't seen any sign of the police in either London or Surrey taking any action at all related to lockdown and I've been out driving far more than most, since as well as my personal needs I have duties as a committee member of a local organisation.
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[RossG]

Went out today in the car, first time in two months. Everything looked more or less the same only quieter, shops looked odd though. Most were shut but strangely those that were open had tables or some kind of barricade to stop you walking in, distancing rules for small shops I guess. Wilko was open but had a long queue outside everyone standing the required two metres apart, looked bizarre.
I don't know about anyone else but that's not for me, I don't do queues. If I have to stay locked down for the next six months it's not a problem to me, I have no intention whatsoever to stand in a queue.
This whole virus thing has been a ralls up from day one in the UK and I don't intend paying the cost of it.

Incidentally speaking of cost I got on the blower to my car insurance co. yesterday asking them why they expected me to pay full insurance for a vehicle the government told me I shouldn't be driving around....there're sending me a big fat cheque in the post as a refund. I would advise everyone who has a car to do the same, barmy Boris can pick up the bill.
Anyone have a Motability vehicle ? my pal has, he got on to the people who leases it and they are now paying out the £600 bonus you normally get at the end of the lease straight away.
I have another friend who screeched at the council over her Council Tax, elderly vulnerable etc. result it was reduced from £1400 to £52 !

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Finally you are making sense. The World meter website shows a very interesting set of histograms, indicating infection rates, death rates etc. Both UK and USA show slight increases day on day so still in a linear growth phase, showing that lockdown measures are working to an extent. , Russia is still in the exponential growth phase, whereas France, Germany , Spain,, Italy are showing declining rates.
So no now is not the time for the UK to relax anything . Rather it needs to put teeth into its current legislation and bring thousands to court.. starting with those taking unnecessary journeys...and defining narrowly what a unnecessary journey is.
Amongst the large nations, the UK is unique in not disclosing any recovered case data.

The astonishing thing is that this virus can be killed off in a few multiples of 3 weeks. The cycle time is just 2 weeks .. Had the UK acted on the evidence , they would be nearly out of this now.

What do you mean by finally making sense? That implies that I talk shite 99% of the time.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Johns Hopkins site has somehow decided there are 957 UK recoveries.

As I have said before, the number of recoveries in Downing Street alone almost gets there. Makes you wonder if some saint was buried by a well in the basement...

I have long thought that recoveries is a very important factor.

I think if you or I had been as ill as Boris Johnson, Handcock or the Chief Wind up Monkey, we would have ended up on that pile of 50000 bodies. (The pile of bodies we aren't supposed to notice or talk about.)

 

[oldgroaner]

What do you mean by finally making sense? That implies that I talk shite 99% of the time.

I was going to reply, but decided at this point to quote that American amendment thingy (if I could remember the number) was it the fifth?

Sorry BS, I couldn't resist, but to be fair I'm not notorious for that am I?

 

[Danidl]

What do you mean by finally making sense? That implies that I talk shite 99% of the time.

You are learning!

 

[Wicky]

Wonder where the 18,000 contact tracing bods are? This is quite a fundamental question!

'Difficult to pinpoint' where people get virus

There's a question about where the latest data shows people are picking the virus up - on public transport or supermarkets, for example, as opposed to care homes or hospitals.

Dr Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer for England, says it is "difficult to pinpoint" where people pick up the virus.

However, she says new survey data from the chain of transmission in households could provide more information.

Dominic Raab says simply that care homes and hospitals are two "areas of concern" for the government.

 

[oyster]

I think if you or I had been as ill as Boris Johnson, Handcock or the Chief Wind up Monkey, we would have ended up on that pile of 50000 bodies. (The pile of bodies we aren't supposed to notice or talk about.)

Is the pile of bodies going to replace the elephant in the room?

Horrific that they had discussed 250,000 deaths - and they are struggling to manage the current level.

Cygnus should, if nothing else, have launched a program of enhancing capacity of crematoria.

 

[oyster]

Wonder where the 18,000 contact tracing bods are? This is quite a fundamental question!

'Difficult to pinpoint' where people get virus

There's a question about where the latest data shows people are picking the virus up - on public transport or supermarkets, for example, as opposed to care homes or hospitals.

Dr Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer for England, says it is "difficult to pinpoint" where people pick up the virus.

However, she says new survey data from the chain of transmission in households could provide more information.

Dominic Raab says simply that care homes and hospitals are two "areas of concern" for the government.

Dominic Raab, how many areas of concern do you have?