Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

their chances of surviving COVID19 is better than 99% to both groups, the real risk is for those who will be injected with the new vaccine which may produce unforeseen long term adverse reactions in later years.

I recall being told that only 1 in 25,000 had an adverse reaction to the crude 20 needle up the rectum biopsy for Prostate Cancer.
And spending weeks in Hospital recovering from Sepsis after a close run with death.
After that I have come to regard a 1% chance as a guarantee of Doom!

 

[oldgroaner]

Tweeting in reply to the letter of denial over not joining the EU precurement scheme I tweeted this

The basic principle involved here is that there is no way on Earth that any of the actions of this Government involve telling the truth, when even accidental revelations are denied if inconvenient

 

[oldgroaner]

the new generation of vaccines are not like the old ones, that's why none of the RNA vaccines has been approved.
Now CORVID gives virologists an opportunity they could only dream of. Not only governments all over the world give them special dispensation, they pay them handsomely for their research!
Have you looked at the way they make the new vaccines?
Just wiki DNA vaccines and RNA vaccines. The one going forward to trial this week is an mRNA vaccine.

quote:

• The mRNA strand in the vaccine may elicit an unintended immune reaction. To minimise this, the mRNA vaccine sequences are designed to mimic those produced by mammalian cells.[13]
• Preclinical experience with vaccine candidates for SARS and the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) have raised concerns about exacerbating lung disease, either directly or as a result of antibody-dependent enhancement.[14]
• A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity. Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.[15]

Since the discovery of in vitro transcribed mRNA expression in vivo following direct administration, in vivo approaches have become more and more attractive.[17] They offer some advantages over ex vivo methods, most significantly by avoiding the cost of harvesting and adapting DCs from patients and by imitating a regular infection. However, there are multiple obstacles for these methods that are yet to be overcome for RNA vaccination to be a potent procedure. Evolutionary mechanisms that prevent the infiltration of unknown nucleic material and promote degradation by RNAses should be avoided in order to initiate translation. In addition, the mobility of RNA on its own is completely dependent on regular cell processes because it is too heavy to diffuse, consequently it is bound to be eliminated, halting translation.

RNA vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Looks like I was right! if I read that correctly (Most likely not of course)

We can indeed have a vaccine that either confers protection or results in death to those it can't protect.

What an achievement

I shall call it Boris: the final solution
As it cures the problem of long time care of the Elderly and infirm, and it too is a little prick.

 

[oldgroaner]

A tweet
Dr Jennifer Cassidy

If Dan Wootton (a journalist from the SUN newspaper) asking Matt Hancock (a Health Secretary who contracted the virus) HOW the government intends to stop the spread of disinformation/conspiracy theories surrounding COVID-19 isn’t 2020 in a nutshell, I don’t know what is.

 

[oldgroaner]

Aaron Banks is jumping ship

And no I wasn't following him this is off the net

 

[oldgroaner]

The New European
43m
"The root of the problem with China is its one-party state and dictatorship. Until these are ended, there can be no real safety and security in our relations with Beijing" https://buff.ly/3arjrKn


Replying to @TheNewEuropean

oldgroaner

@oldgroaner

Replying to
@TheNewEuropean
"The root of the problem with China is it's one-party state and dictatorship" please confer my sympathy to those poor people, we are suffering the same problem too, and ours are a bunch of dangerous amateurs

 

[Woosh]

Looks like I was right! if I read that correctly (Most likely not of course)

We can indeed have a vaccine that either confers protection or results in death to those it can't protect.

What an achievement

I shall call it Boris: the final solution
As it cures the problem of long time care of the Elderly and infirm, and it too is a little prick.

you could extrapolate this scenario even further. Pay volunteers to take the vaccine and COVID repeatedly then buy their blood to extract plasma.

 

[oldgroaner]

Tomorrow’s Financial Times reporting that #coronavirus may have already killed 41,000 people in the UK after a
@FT
analysis of the latest data from the Office of National Statistics (via
@ThatTimWalker
) #COVID19 #COVID #BREAKING #COVIDー19

 

[oldgroaner]

you could extrapolate this scenario even further. Pay volunteers to take the vaccine and COVID repeatedly then buy their blood to extract plasma.

We could open a "Blood Bank hedge fund"
Who will play count Dracula?
Probably Gove or IDS would do nicely, and we could pencil in Rees Mogg as as a de-luxe Igor

 

[oldgroaner]

Proof that the Conservative can actually achieve something

Mass Death

 

[oyster]

Looks like I was right! if I read that correctly (Most likely not of course)

We can indeed have a vaccine that either confers protection or results in death to those it can't protect.

What an achievement

I shall call it Boris: the final solution
As it cures the problem of long time care of the Elderly and infirm, and it too is a little prick.

Standard Russian Roulette probability for one chamber/one shot is 16.67%.

Will vaccine be better or worse?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Proof that the Conservative can actually achieve something

Mass Death

Is it time for the police to open a murder investigation?

 

[oyster]

you could extrapolate this scenario even further. Pay volunteers to take the vaccine and COVID repeatedly then buy their blood to extract plasma.

Make sure they get a jolly good diet, rich in iron, B12, proteins, etc.

Anyone ever tried bovine antibodies? You could get a lot more blood from them than humans.

(I have little idea about trans-species antibodies - probably kill us!)

 

[oyster]

“With so many coronavirus deaths, Labour should not be holding back,” writes Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former director of communications.

It has been both a curse and a blessing for Keir Starmer that he has become Labour leader amid a global pandemic.
A curse because in normal times his arrival would be huge news, an opportunity quickly to establish himself firmly in the national conversation; yet in a crisis the last thing the public wants is politics as usual, so this limits his chance to be heard.
A blessing, because the current situation plays to Starmer’s strengths – he is serious, forensic, consensus-seeking, and has a strong grasp of detail. These qualities will become especially important when we are through the worst, and “Starmer or Johnson?” becomes the choice of prime minister. They are qualities Boris Johnson proudly lacks, one of the reasons the UK has been so badly hit.

We shall see.

 

[Woosh]

Make sure they get a jolly good diet, rich in iron, B12, proteins, etc.

Anyone ever tried bovine antibodies? You could get a lot more blood from them than humans.

(I have little idea about trans-species antibodies - probably kill us!)

they use bovine cells.
Then infect them with the vaccine vector virus.
The term 'cash cows' has a new meaning.

 

[Wicky]

And the Ones who get the virus have to hope they’re lucky and they-survive?
Include me out
At this stage of life there isn’t anything all the money in the world could persuade me to take such a risk for, I may only have a limited life expectancy but money can’t buy it

Test subjects for drug testing are generally healthy* - hence why problems can become apparent only when actually used on wider population. Testing has to be gradual and measured as when it does go wrong it can go wrong badly

Experience: I ran a medical trial that went wrong

The men tumbled like dominoes. One man tried to walk to the toilet and collapsed. The wards became chaotic

www.theguardian.com

I applied for drug testing (just after the above happened) and was thouroughly screened at a N. London Hospital - I was rejected even though I was still regulary playing cricket as I was slightly overweight and as smoker it would have limited what trials I was eligible for.

 

[oyster]

they use bovine cells.
Then infect them with the vaccine vector virus.
The term 'cash cows' has a new meaning.

But not for the antibody treatment - which was what I meant.

They are collecting post-covid-19 patients' blood for that.

I wonder if Johnson will donate?

 

[flecc]

Maybe, but if it comforts some people, which it does, particularly for the elderly, what’s the harm?

She’s not a politician, just a figurehead.

The harm is in who follows, Charles.
.

 

[flecc]

In your opinion, maybe. There is many who will disagree with you.

It's slightly under half the population who are truly supportive of royalty.

Watch that shrink rapidly once the politically inclined Charles takes over.
.

 

[Woosh]

I wonder if Johnson will donate?

he probably has no antibodies.
Covid didn't hit him hard enough.