Brexit, for once some facts.

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Brooke-Taylor specialised in a character wearing a Union Flag waistcoat, who would often pause the action to deliver patriotic words to a background of Land of Hope and Glory.

"You've got to have a right wing neo-con loony." Brooke-Taylor said in a 2005 radio interview.


Remember it well

I wonder if he had a formative influence on Farage


 
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I would like to see this article published in every news paper in the UK.
And on the next page:
Revealed: value of UK pandemic stockpile fell by 40% in six years £325m wiped off value of health department’s emergency stockpile including PPE
 
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I very much doubt you will get any proper answers from the government this evening. I watched the Andrew Marr and Sophy Ridge programmes this morning. In all fairness both of them asked really tough questions, the type of questions many people have been posting on this site. Unfortunately Alok Sharma the Secretary of State for Business who was interview by them both failed to answer even one of the tough questions directly.

Sharma obfuscated and answered questions that had not been asked. Kept repeating the word "unprecedented" and was basically a total waste of time.

I appreciate the government has an extremely difficult job and I certainly would not like to be having to deal with the kinds of problems they are dealing with. What I and I am sure millions of other people would like to see though is some honesty from government. Admit when mistakes have been made, explain how they plan on putting things right, and answering questions that have been asked directly and not just talking rubbish.

Things could be worse though, imagine if we had Trump as our PM, I almost feel sorry of the Americans, but not quite because millions of them voted for the idiot.
The thing is, this government had a head start. By comparison to us, Italy and Spain were caught by the virus's voracious appetite for uninfected people. To some extent, this is understandable because those filthy little lying *****, the Chinese, buried the true nature of this disease. It wasn't until it hit in Europe that the nature of it became apparent.

The UK were better placed to mitigate it's spread, the Channel etc. Germany seemed to respond immediately and got its act together faster and seems to have it under control. Johnson and his band of idiots squandered the valuable time recklessly joking about Operation Last Gasp, his father going to the pub, shaking hands with Covid-19 patients and other nonsense, all of which has cost hundreds of lives, and very nearly his own.

I don't think it's going to be long before they lift social distancing restrictions in the workplace and sacrifice tens, maybe hundreds of thousands, at the money alter. Their big business mates are getting itchy wallets. The language is starting to change with phrases such as the cure maybe worse than the disease creeping in. This may be ok for Germany where they have a proper grasp, but we are many many months behind them. But I fear what's coming, they don't like paying money out for stuff rich people won't benefit from!
 
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The thing is, this government had a head start. By comparison to us, Italy and Spain were caught by the virus's voracious appetite for uninfected people. To some extent, this is understandable because those filthy little lying *****, the Chinese, buried the true nature of this disease. It wasn't until it hit in Europe that the nature of it became apparent.

The UK were better placed to mitigate it's spread, the Channel etc. Germany seemed to respond immediately and got its act together faster and seems to have it under control. Johnson and his band of idiots squandered the valuable time recklessly joking about Operation Last Gasp, his father going to the pub, shaking hands with Covid-19 patients and other nonsense, all of which has cost hundreds of lives, and very nearly his own.

I don't think it's going to be long before they lift social distancing restrictions in the workplace and sacrifice tens, maybe hundreds of thousands, at the money alter. Their big business mates are getting itchy wallets. The language is starting to change with phrases such as the cure maybe worse than the disease creeping in. This may be ok for Germany where they have a proper grasp, but we are many many months behind them. But I fear what's coming, they don't like paying money out for stuff rich people won't benefit from!
Not true Barry. The Chinese did not hide anything ...or at most for a few days. A lie does not become truth by repeating it again and again. The first cases of an odd flu emerged in mid November. It was mid December when there were enough cases to be concerned... At that stage 60 ,and so electron microscopy etc was being started local authorities in Wuhan were perhaps tardy and bureaucratic for at most a week, but public media, social commentary , brought it to the attention of Beijing and by End of December they were issuing warnings... Please look at the published timeline ,and stop regurgitating USA propaganda. The information is hiding in plain sight.
 

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Not true Barry. The Chinese did not hide anything ...or at most for a few days. A lie does not become truth by repeating it again and again. The first cases of an odd flu emerged in mid November. It was mid December when there were enough cases to be concerned... At that stage 60 ,and so electron microscopy etc was being started local authorities in Wuhan were perhaps tardy and bureaucratic for at most a week, but public media, social commentary , brought it to the attention of Beijing and by End of December they were issuing warnings... Please look at the published timeline ,and stop regurgitating USA propaganda. The information is hiding in plain sight.
I’m afraid that’s not true and repeating it won’t make it so.
 

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That his rating still requires two digits is still astonishing. It should be around the level where the number of people expressing approval approximates the number attributable to chance. (As in people who can't even read the question stabbing their marker or finger or whatever they use randomly.)

US's global reputation hits rock-bottom over Trump's coronavirus response

International relations expert warns policy failure could do lasting damage as president insults allies and undermines alliances
Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, which he once dismissed as a hoax, has been fiercely criticised at home as woefully inadequate to the point of irresponsibility.

Yet also thanks largely to Trump, a parallel disaster is unfolding across the world: the ruination of America’s reputation as a safe, trustworthy, competent international leader and partner.


Call it the Trump double-whammy. Diplomatically speaking, the US is on life support.


“The Trump administration’s self-centred, haphazard, and tone-deaf response [to Covid-19] will end up costing Americans trillions of dollars and thousands of otherwise preventable deaths,” wrote Stephen Walt, professor of international relations at Harvard.


“But that’s not the only damage the United States will suffer. Far from ‘making America great again’, this epic policy failure will further tarnish [its] reputation as a country that knows how to do things effectively.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/12/us-global-reputation-rock-bottom-donald-trump-coronavirus
 
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CV timeline according to WHO:

The potential of a pandemic was known since beginning of January.
China published the genome of Covid19 on the 12th January.
The gravity of Covid19 is well understood.Wuhan was in lockdown on 23rd January.


31 Dec 2019

China reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

1 January 2020

WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

4 January 2020

WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.

5 January 2020

WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.

Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.

12 January 2020

China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.

13 January 2020

Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.

14 January 2020

Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. Dr. Kerkhove noted that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

20-21 January 2020

WHO experts from its China and Western Pacific regional offices conducted a brief field visit to Wuhan.

22 January 2020

WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

22- 23 January 2020

The WHO Director- General convened an Emergency Committee (EC) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) to assess whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern. The independent members from around the world could not reach a consensus based on the evidence available at the time. They asked to be reconvened within 10 days after receiving more information.

28 January 2020

A senior WHO delegation led by the Director-General travelled to Beijing to meet China’s leadership, learn more about China’s response, and to offer any technical assistance.

While in Beijing, Dr. Tedros agreed with Chinese government leaders that an international team of leading scientists would travel to China on a mission to better understand the context, the overall response, and exchange information and experience.

30 January 2020

The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC. This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.

3 February 2020

WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states with weaker health systems.

11-12 February 2020

WHO convened a Research and Innovation Forum on COVID-19, attended by more than 400 experts and funders from around the world, which included presentations by George Gao, Director General of China CDC, and Zunyou Wu, China CDC's chief epidemiologist.

16-24 February 2020

The WHO-China Joint mission, which included experts from Canada, Germany, Japan, Nigeria, Republic of Korea, Russia, Singapore and the US (CDC, NIH) spent time in Beijing and also travelled to Wuhan and two other cities. They spoke with health officials, scientists and health workers in health facilities (maintaining physical distancing). The report of the joint mission can be found here: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

11 March 2020

Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.

13 March 2020

COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund launched to receive donations from private individuals, corporations and institutions.

18 March 2020

WHO and partners launch the Solidarity Trial, an international clinical trial that aims to generate robust data from around the world to find the most effective treatments for COVID-19.
 

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737 dead in hospitals alone over the past 24 hours. That number prompted me to realise, this is equivalent to the loss of life from two Boeing 747s crashing every day. Loss of life on that scale would have filled news columns for a month a while back, now it’s routine. The Mail just leads with the headline, “He has risen” when referring to the chief architect of this disaster’s discharge from hospital. The man is guilty of Malfeasance in Office, he’s not a ******* messiah.
 

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Talking to a (Chinese) friend in Abu Dhabi yesterday. The way the UK news had got though to her was that the government was doing a wonderful job; she was really surprised when I pointed out that there were several failings ....

Admittedly her UK in-laws are rather more right wing than I am, but I was still surprised by her surprise. (Thinking about it, I shouldn't have been.)
 

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I would like to see this article published in every news paper in the UK.
Would you really?? If i were you i`d check out the author first..

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Nesrine Malik in full Islamic dress: 'The niqab appeals to the voyeur in all of us' Photo: David Rose
 

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Would you really?? If i were you i`d check out the author first..

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Tommie, just what are you trying to say? the message that comes across
..and what`s your point Dicky??
That you are not right in the head?
 

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I have a really nasty expectation that there is nothing we (effectively, the government) can do to stop going over the 20,000 prediction. The question likely having become, how many more than 20,000?
 

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