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I’ve just read a bizarre story about drugs essential to the critical care of patients run low. These are opioid pain killers and anaesthetic drugs. It’s said that in order to preserve supplies, the drugs would only be used on patients who need them.

This raises the question, what have they been using the drugs for previously? Have they been dressing up in all that excess PPE and having drug fuelled raves in the hospitals? I can’t work it out. I’m not clever enough.
None of us are clever enough, we wish it was otherwise.
 
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I’ve just read a bizarre story about drugs essential to the critical care of patients run low. These are opioid pain killers and anaesthetic drugs. It’s said that in order to preserve supplies, the drugs would only be used on patients who need them.

This raises the question, what have they been using the drugs for previously? Have they been dressing up in all that excess PPE and having drug fuelled raves in the hospitals? I can’t work it out. I’m not clever enough.
Mar 13th

One thing I hope hospitals are well stocked up on is morphine to help alleviate suffering at the end for folk with pneumonia. :-(

Also borough councils will likely lose a lot of council tax revenue as when bills start coming out in Spring soon a lot of folk will struggle esp if they've lost jobs / been off sick. So hopefully they've got access to reserves / govt help.
 

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I’ve just read a bizarre story about drugs essential to the critical care of patients run low. These are opioid pain killers and anaesthetic drugs. It’s said that in order to preserve supplies, the drugs would only be used on patients who need them.

This raises the question, what have they been using the drugs for previously? Have they been dressing up in all that excess PPE and having drug fuelled raves in the hospitals? I can’t work it out. I’m not clever enough.
And this attempt at reassurance:
Dr Pittard added: “We are not going to run out of drugs to treat patients, that’s the bottom line.

There may be shortages of specific drugs but there are always alternatives in the same class that although staff will need to slightly modify their practice, they will be perfectly safe for patients.


He might be right about the specific drugs he is thinking about, but for what I take every day, there simply isn't an alternative.
 

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Gov website - Public advice for Planning for Emergencies - What you need to know ;-)

On that site, they posted this from the real site:

We run the Government website for the Preparing for Emergencies public information campaign, on www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk, and are very concerned that the material on your site will confuse people about the sensitive advice and information that we are giving to the public.

When you try their URL, you get:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk.
 

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Just a layman's question and based on an assumption that such machines could be made available, wouldn't another and less invasive treatment be
Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) and simply use an Oxygen mask?

ECMO is also used to support patients with the acute viral pneumonia associated with COVID-19 in cases where artificial ventilation is not sufficient to sustain blood oxygenation levels.

Use in COVID-19 patients
Beginning in early February 2020, doctors in China have increasingly been using ECMO as an adjunct support for patients presenting with acute viral pneumonia associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) when, even after ventilation, the blood oxygenation levels remain too low to sustain the patient. The initial reports indicate that it is assisting in restoring patients' blood oxygen saturation and reducing fatalities among the approximately 3% of severe cases where it has been utilized.

It is more invasive than just having an O2 mask as it needs to be plumbed into the blood circulatory system and kept highly monitored. - If used It'd be used on critical care patients - i.e. Level 3

Level 0 (Patients whose needs can be met through normal WARD care in an acute hospital)
Level 1 (PATIENTS at risk of their condition deteriorating, or those recently relocated from higher levels of care, whose needs can be met on an acute WARD with additional advice and support from the critical care team.)
Level 2 (PATIENTS requiring more detailed observation or intervention including support for a single failing organ system or post-operative care and those 'stepping down' from higher levels of care.)
Level 3 (PATIENTS requiring advanced respiratory support alone or monitoring and support for two or more organ systems. This level includes all complex PATIENTS requiring support for multi-organ failure.)
 
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On that site, they posted this from the real site:

We run the Government website for the Preparing for Emergencies public information campaign, on www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk, and are very concerned that the material on your site will confuse people about the sensitive advice and information that we are giving to the public.

When you try their URL, you get:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk.
 

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I’ve just read a bizarre story about drugs essential to the critical care of patients run low. These are opioid pain killers and anaesthetic drugs. It’s said that in order to preserve supplies, the drugs would only be used on patients who need them.

This raises the question, what have they been using the drugs for previously? Have they been dressing up in all that excess PPE and having drug fuelled raves in the hospitals? I can’t work it out. I’m not clever enough.
Finally we agree.. its the last phase which works for me.
 
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On that site, they posted this from the real site:

We run the Government website for the Preparing for Emergencies public information campaign, on www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk, and are very concerned that the material on your site will confuse people about the sensitive advice and information that we are giving to the public.

When you try their URL, you get:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk.
This is the real site:

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ECMO is also used to support patients with the acute viral pneumonia associated with COVID-19 in cases where artificial ventilation is not sufficient to sustain blood oxygenation levels.

Use in COVID-19 patients
Beginning in early February 2020, doctors in China have increasingly been using ECMO as an adjunct support for patients presenting with acute viral pneumonia associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) when, even after ventilation, the blood oxygenation levels remain too low to sustain the patient. The initial reports indicate that it is assisting in restoring patients' blood oxygen saturation and reducing fatalities among the approximately 3% of severe cases where it has been utilized.

It is more invasive than just having an O2 mask as it needs to be plumbed into the blood circulatory system and kept highly monitored. - If used It'd be used on critical care patients - i.e. Level 3

Level 0 (Patients whose needs can be met through normal WARD care in an acute hospital)
Level 1 (PATIENTS at risk of their condition deteriorating, or those recently relocated from higher levels of care, whose needs can be met on an acute WARD with additional advice and support from the critical care team.)
Level 2 (PATIENTS requiring more detailed observation or intervention including support for a single failing organ system or post-operative care and those 'stepping down' from higher levels of care.)
Level 3 (PATIENTS requiring advanced respiratory support alone or monitoring and support for two or more organ systems. This level includes all complex PATIENTS requiring support for multi-organ failure.)
Very interesting.. but the list of side effects and complications is really frightening.
 

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This is the real site:

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A skim read suggests that almost everything on that page is inappropriate/unhelpful/downright stupid to do for the coronavirus emergency.

They were obviously doing what all such people do - put the advice for the last lot of emergencies we had. So loads about flooding.
 
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On that site, they posted this from the real site:

We run the Government website for the Preparing for Emergencies public information campaign, on www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk, and are very concerned that the material on your site will confuse people about the sensitive advice and information that we are giving to the public.

When you try their URL, you get:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk.
The bottom line is that they prefer to fool the public with their own material
 
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Comedian and actor Tim Brooke-Taylor has died after contracting coronavirus, his agent said.

The 79-year-old was probably most famous as part of television comedy trio, The Goodies.
And Sir Stirling Moss has died today of natural causes he was 90 years old.
I actually visited him at home to repair one of our EBC (Electronic Bathroom Controllers) in his retirement years. I really took to my childhood hero,he was every bit as eccentric as I expected him to be. In conversation he enquired how big my "patch" was and when I responded with "the low tide mark" he told me I was as mad as he was!
What a kind man! :cool:
 
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They couldn't find a large enough canon:

Boris Johnson discharged from hospital

Boris Johnson has been discharged from hospital, Downing Street has confirmed.
From the back entrance?
Stand by for a diversionary campaign of false sympathy for the bloody fool to cover up the blunders.
 
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ECMO is also used to support patients with the acute viral pneumonia associated with COVID-19 in cases where artificial ventilation is not sufficient to sustain blood oxygenation levels.

Use in COVID-19 patients
Beginning in early February 2020, doctors in China have increasingly been using ECMO as an adjunct support for patients presenting with acute viral pneumonia associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) when, even after ventilation, the blood oxygenation levels remain too low to sustain the patient. The initial reports indicate that it is assisting in restoring patients' blood oxygen saturation and reducing fatalities among the approximately 3% of severe cases where it has been utilized.

It is more invasive than just having an O2 mask as it needs to be plumbed into the blood circulatory system and kept highly monitored. - If used It'd be used on critical care patients - i.e. Level 3

Level 0 (Patients whose needs can be met through normal WARD care in an acute hospital)
Level 1 (PATIENTS at risk of their condition deteriorating, or those recently relocated from higher levels of care, whose needs can be met on an acute WARD with additional advice and support from the critical care team.)
Level 2 (PATIENTS requiring more detailed observation or intervention including support for a single failing organ system or post-operative care and those 'stepping down' from higher levels of care.)
Level 3 (PATIENTS requiring advanced respiratory support alone or monitoring and support for two or more organ systems. This level includes all complex PATIENTS requiring support for multi-organ failure.)
Thank you for that response!
 
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I shall look forward to the BBC making the government answer for this later this evening.
I very much doubt you will get any proper answers from the government this evening. I watched the Andrew Marr and Sophy Ridge programmes this morning. In all fairness both of them asked really tough questions, the type of questions many people have been posting on this site. Unfortunately Alok Sharma the Secretary of State for Business who was interview by them both failed to answer even one of the tough questions directly.

Sharma obfuscated and answered questions that had not been asked. Kept repeating the word "unprecedented" and was basically a total waste of time.

I appreciate the government has an extremely difficult job and I certainly would not like to be having to deal with the kinds of problems they are dealing with. What I and I am sure millions of other people would like to see though is some honesty from government. Admit when mistakes have been made, explain how they plan on putting things right, and answering questions that have been asked directly and not just talking rubbish.

Things could be worse though, imagine if we had Trump as our PM, I almost feel sorry of the Americans, but not quite because millions of them voted for the idiot.
 
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