Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

Why are criminals being released from prisons because of Coronavirus? We’ve got enough to deal with and don’t need extra scum dumped onto the streets. These criminals aren’t going to abide by the lockdown rules and will spread the virus. They should remain locked up.

 

[tommie]

Tommie will be interested in this one..
There was a military type raid on ATMs in Dundalk this morning. Two cars were set alight at the two entrances to the Garda station , to hinder persuit,and then Two ATMs were ripped from two banks on our main Street. However they were chased by the Garda Armed Response Unit, up to the border where the PSNI got them..
My inclination is that the IRA pension pot was drying up with no diesel to launder. The drug trade is also dieing a death.

Yes agreed....and no surprise they were hunted down to Crossmaglen. No doubt our lying Finance Minister Murphy from the same neck of the woods will step forward with character references.
Leo was right when he stated these people arent fit to govern, you don`t know how lucky you are down there. http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/04/04/news/conor-murphy-urged-to-provide-detail-on-failed-ppe-order-as-five-million-items-released-by-london-1890415/

 

[sjpt]

and they dont even bother to test them, they get off the plane and use public transport to get home fkn joke.

Exactly, they don't test and the last I saw they don't mandate (or even recommend) self-isolation.

 

[oyster]

Still glad I gave up smoking many years ago:

Smokers face a greater risk from coronavirus and may also be chancing with the welfare of their loved ones, Public Health England has warned.

Prof John Newton, Public Health England’s director of health, said that in light of the “unprecedented” pandemic sweeping the globe:

There has never been a more important time to stop smoking, not only for your own health but to protect those around you.

PHE said that smoking can cause damage to the lungs and airways, and Covid-19 attacks the respiratory system.

Officials also point to a “small but highly impactful” survey from China which finds that smokers with Covid-19 are 14 times more likely to develop severe disease.

Have also read that giving up smoking is at some kind of all time high at the moment.

 

[Wicky]

Wonder if the case was suspected before the medics flew out or they took it with them (without going in to quarantine before hand)??

4th April - Soldier tests positive in Falkland Islands' first case
The first case of coronavirus has been reported in the Falkland Islands, a remote British territory.

A soldier who tested positive is in a stable condition in hospital, says the Commander of the British Forces South Atlantic Islands, Brigadier Nick Sawyer.

Six army medics had already been deployed there with additional supplies of medicine, oxygen and personal protective equipment.

Residents in the Falkland Islands have been following the same social distancing measures as the rest of the UK.

1st April - Colchester soldiers jet out to Falklands to help fight coronavirus

Colchester soldiers jet out to Falklands to help fight coronavirus

A TEAM of Colchester soldiers have been deployed to the Falkland Islands to help the territory’s only hospital deal with the coronavirus outbreak.

www.gazette-news.co.uk

“I did an NHS shift at Homerton Hospital on Friday, and there was a message on my phone when I finished on Saturday morning saying I was going to the Falklands."

3rd April - ’It’s like a major incident every day’: 32 die of coronavirus at Homerton Hospital and 266 serious cases in City and Hackney

The impact of coronavirus on Homerton Hospital on staff has been like “having a major incident every day for the last two weeks” and presents a “high stress situation day-in day-out” for its frontline staff.

’It’s like a major incident every day’: 32 die of coronavirus at Homerton Hospital and 266 serious cases in City and Hackney

The impact of coronavirus on Homerton Hospital on staff has been like “having a major incident every day for the last two weeks” and...

www.hackneygazette.co.uk

 

[flecc]

Why are criminals being released from prisons because of Coronavirus? We’ve got enough to deal with and don’t need extra scum dumped onto the streets. These criminals aren’t going to abide by the lockdown rules and will spread the virus. They should remain locked up.

I disagree, it's a safety measure. Only those minor offenders within two months of release are being let out early, before the infection gets a greater hold in prisons than it already has.

So they are largely disease free to release now but could well be infected when they have to be released within two months. Their release will increase single cell occupancy for self isolation for those remaining in at the moment.

As a disease control it's entirely sensible.
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[Wicky]

Gotta make room for coronavirus conspiracy theorists to get their 12 weeks isolation state paid...

Coronavirus: Man jailed after hospital visit social media boast

Kierran Stevenson walked around a hospital without a medical reason, against government guidelines.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[flecc]

Wonder if the case was suspected before the medics flew out or they took it with them (without going in to quarantine before hand)??

4th April - Soldier tests positive in Falkland Islands' first case
The first case of coronavirus has been reported in the Falkland Islands, a remote British territory.

There's plenty of chances for transfer all the time. We have a regular weekly airliner to and from the Falklands carrying military personel, other workers and at times Falklander's children who go to secondary schools and colleges in other parts of the world.
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[oyster]

Gotta make room for coronavirus conspiracy theorists to get their 12 weeks isolation state paid...

Coronavirus: Man jailed after hospital visit social media boast

Kierran Stevenson walked around a hospital without a medical reason, against government guidelines.

www.bbc.co.uk

Perhaps we should add "hotel" charges to people who are put in gaol for dumb cluck stupid things?

(There have been plenty who have supported such charges on patients in hospitals.)

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I disagree, it's a safety measure. Only those minor offenders within two months of release are being let out early, before the infection gets a greater hold in prisons than it already has.

So they are largely disease free to release now but could well be infected when they have to be released within two months. Their release will increase single cell occupancy for self isolation for those remaining in at the moment.

As a disease control it's entirely sensible.
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These criminals have demonstrated a disregard for rules and for them to end up in prison, this will be a long term persistent pattern of rule breaking. They aren’t going to isolate, think of others and act responsibly. They will revert to type and spread the disease. That’s why they must remain in a prison and face whatever is coming their way. We should not concern ourselves with them.

 

[flecc]

That’s why they must remain in a prison and face whatever is coming their way. We should not concern ourselves with them.

You aren't thinking. They have to be released at the end of sentence within two months, by hanging on until then they will have a far greater chance of being infected in prison confines and then infecting us.

This measure is primarily to defend us, not them.
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[Danidl]

Yes agreed....and no surprise they were hunted down to Crossmaglen. No doubt our lying Finance Minister Murphy from the same neck of the woods will step forward with character references.
Leo was right when he stated these people arent fit to govern, you don`t know how lucky you are down there. http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/04/04/news/conor-murphy-urged-to-provide-detail-on-failed-ppe-order-as-five-million-items-released-by-london-1890415/

We don't often agree.. on this yes!.

 

[Danidl]

There is very interesting evidence emerging that the old TB BCG vaccination , reduces the severity\ fatalities of the CV19. . The cause is of course not known, but the geographical footprint is striking... . . This is very hopeful because Africa and India would have high levels of mandatory BCG. The UK had it between 51 and 2005 , whereas Spain and Italy had not, whereas Portugal and Eastern Europe had it.
It may be a false dawn, but the epidemiology seems to support it.

 

[Wicky]

There is very interesting evidence emerging that the old TB BCG vaccination , reduces the severity\ fatalities of the CV19. . The cause is of course not known, but the geographical footprint is striking... . . This is very hopeful because Africa and India would have high levels of mandatory BCG. The UK had it between 51 and 2005 , whereas Spain and Italy had not, whereas Portugal and Eastern Europe had it.
It may be a false dawn, but the epidemiology seems to support it.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

Interesting but with caveats

Unlike other vaccines, the BCG vaccine may also boost the innate immune system, first-line defenses that keep a variety of pathogens from entering the body or from establishing an infection. One study in Guinea-Bissau found 50% lower mortality rates in children vaccinated with BCG than in kids who did not get this vaccine. That is a much bigger drop in deaths than could be explained by a reduction in TB cases. Some studies have found similar reductions in respiratory infections among teens and the elderly.

WHAT SCIENTISTS DO NOT KNOW

Scientists do not have data yet on the effect of BCG vaccination on coronaviruses in general or SARS-CoV-2 in particular.

Can't recall if I've had the vaccination, if I did it was probaby before I travelled to Sri lanka or when I worked in the NHS (worked with a few TB patients in isolation)

 

[oyster]

There is very interesting evidence emerging that the old TB BCG vaccination , reduces the severity\ fatalities of the CV19. . The cause is of course not known, but the geographical footprint is striking... . . This is very hopeful because Africa and India would have high levels of mandatory BCG. The UK had it between 51 and 2005 , whereas Spain and Italy had not, whereas Portugal and Eastern Europe had it.
It may be a false dawn, but the epidemiology seems to support it.

Interesting.

I had a BCG but sister didn't as she reacted to the Heaf test.

 

[flecc]

There is very interesting evidence emerging that the old TB BCG vaccination , reduces the severity\ fatalities of the CV19. . The cause is of course not known, but the geographical footprint is striking... . . This is very hopeful because Africa and India would have high levels of mandatory BCG. The UK had it between 51 and 2005 , whereas Spain and Italy had not, whereas Portugal and Eastern Europe had it.
It may be a false dawn, but the epidemiology seems to support it.

Possible good news for me since I had the BCG inocculation on entering National Service at 18 years old. I still have the white scar it leaves on my left upper arm.

This applied to all British males entering National Service between 1951 and 1960.
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[Wicky]

Is this your source danild?

Tuberculosis vaccine ‘potential game-changer’ in Covid-19 fight

Countries with high BCG vaccination rates have fewer coronavirus deaths, study shows

www.irishtimes.com

More on BCG (TB) vaccine:

BCG vaccine for tuberculosis (TB)

Find out about the BCG vaccine for tuberculosis (TB), including who should have it and possible side effects.

www.nhs.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/459106/mortality-statistics-esa-ib-sda.pdf

Total number of IB/SDA and ESA off-flows with date of death at the same time(3) 81,140 of which: ESA 50,580 IB/SDA 30,560

its there own numbers pmsl

Why are you laughing?

 

[Danidl]

Is this your source danild?

Tuberculosis vaccine ‘potential game-changer’ in Covid-19 fight

Countries with high BCG vaccination rates have fewer coronavirus deaths, study shows

www.irishtimes.com

More on BCG (TB) vaccine:

BCG vaccine for tuberculosis (TB)

Find out about the BCG vaccine for tuberculosis (TB), including who should have it and possible side effects.

www.nhs.uk

I had seen references to it the day before yesterday ,.. was very sceptical so this morning I checked the BCG countries .. the co relationship is striking . Yes the IT article spurred me. Even more so is the Portugal Spain comparison ,and references in Germany between DDR and West German cantons.. It is very interesting and hopeful

 

[oldgroaner]

Interesting.

I had a BCG but sister didn't as she reacted to the Heaf test.

I didn't get the vaccination because I reacted to the Heaf test too.