Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

‘That’s my working principle. I assume that inside my home is virus free and that everything outside it, including people, will infect us. The front door opens into a “boot room“ beyond which is the hallway. Nothing, including groceries, post and parcels makes it out of the boot room and into the house without being cleaned with an anti-viral agent. Apart from me and my wife, no one is entering the house either.

There is a good network of isolated paths in the countryside near me too. I can sometimes walk, run or cycle for a couple of hours and see nobody. This weekend has been very different, it’s been very busy, lots of families walking and cycling. Surely shutting the boozers hasn’t made that much difference? Hard to believe all these extra people are normally downing ale.

My strategy exactly. Perhaps not as extreme ..but similar. We assume everything is unclean . Plastic bags should be OK after a few hours. Coats etc left all day in a warm car are sterilised. I use different pullovers every day and only wear the same one three days later.
No I think your additional walkers are the people going stir crazy at home.

 

[flecc]

Who is going to lend us the money?

This is the fundamental problem with a pandemic. Since all will be suffering the same, we will all be lending each other fictitious money, wealth that doesn't exist.

Most countries already run a permanent large national debt, so those will greatly increase. That in turn will greatly increase the burden of interest paid on the debts. The only way round that will be ultra low interest rates, so perhaps the B of E's new bank rate of 0.1% is a pointer to the economic future.

Of course that leads to a new problem, no savings and no investments, but that's too far ahead to have a solution at present.
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[Danidl]

My understanding is that as far as known no one's immune - Just younger you are the still less likely to get sick.

Why don't children seem to get very ill from the coronavirus?

Children don't seem to get ill from the new coronavirus and understanding why could help us decide how to tackle the pandemic

www.newscientist.com

So you might think..,but evidence is not that it is mild, but that it is less fatal. The undeniable fact is that the older one is ..from 20 onwards, the more chances you have had to pick up an underlying medical condition. 8 year olds are unlikely to be heavy smokers whereas 18 year olds can be obese and smokers. The median age of positive Covid in Ireland is 47

 

[flecc]

We will not get to herd immunity until only 1 of 5 is left, those without immunity are no longer alive.

Which as I've posted will mean all our problems solved:

Overpopulation, climate change, global warming, pollution, dwindling earths resources.

Herd immunity isn't just a way of dealing with Covid-19, it deals with everything important, but at a cost.
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[Danidl]

Hospitalised cases by age group
< 5	1​	1%​
5 - 14	2​	2%​
15 - 24	9​	8%​
25 - 34	16​	15%​
35 - 44	15​	14%​
45 - 54	11​	10%​
55 - 64	23​	21%​
65+	31​	29%​
Total	108​
Source: HPSC 18/3/2020

 

[Danidl]

The table above was the data for RoI of a few days ago. I supply it as support for my earlier post . One is not admitted to hospital at present without very good cause. We have had 3 deaths to date. At that date there were 438 confirmed cases, so hospitalisation in 25% of cases!.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

My strategy exactly. Perhaps not as extreme ..but similar. We assume everything is unclean . Plastic bags should be OK after a few hours. Coats etc left all day in a warm car are sterilised. I use different pullovers every day and only wear the same one three days later.
No I think your additional walkers are the people going stir crazy at home.

I may be going a bit OTT, but...... I like your clothing regime, I’ll adopt that too.

 

[Woosh]

At that date there were 438 confirmed cases, so hospitalisation in 25% of cases!.

the worrying aspect of being hospitalised is the length of stay and number of successful recoveries.
Until now, more deaths than recoveries.

 

[Danidl]

For some time now I have been thinking about such issues.

At the very least, there should be some sort of invitation of some Labour and SNP people into the government.

I'm getting the impression Sunak is getting over-praised.

But what is also absolutely essential is to provide a mechanism for the HoC to at least be able to have some sort of remote meetings and voting. The need for MPs to be able continue representing their constituents even while in isolation is obvious. The need for the public to believe that is happening is fundamental.

What are Dail has done is at one level weird , but oddly effective. We had a most serious bill debated last week..and passed into law Each of the political parties was represented by a very few TDs MPs and with huge gaps between them. I assume they held the proxies for their party colleagues. In the end the amendments were discussed, some tabled, some rejected , but without the standard theatrics . We have a very Chastened Government and Cabinet , some ministers even hold office without being members of the Dail anymore, listening and reacting to suggestions from all over the house. This is because no party succeeded in getting a mandate. ..
So perhaps better than a strong Majority is a very weak Government, depending on the goodwill and good sense of the opposition.

 

[Wicky]

Again. I disagree. The principle is that everyone believe that everyone else can infect them and they walk and interact accordingly. So whether one is or is not asymptomatic, you assume everyone else is. The 3 metre spacing works very well on paths and roads . Any of my local shops have set up floor marking ,a lot have put up simple acrylic screens between the till person and customer. They also require contactless payment.

Coronavirus: 'Unprecedented' crowds in Wales despite warnings

Car parks and trails could be shut to stop people visiting Snowdonia, while beaches are also busy.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nev]

How about a German government? Their infection to death ratio seems better than most other countries. How about asking them to have go. It couldn’t be any bigger **** up.

Their figures seem extremely good at the moment, some possible reasons for this are contained in this article

Germany's low coronavirus mortality rate intrigues experts

Some query data methodology while others say high testing rates are giving more accurate picture

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nev]

Here are the latest figures for Germany published about an hour and a half ago.

In Germany, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Germany has risen by 1,948 (12%) to 18,610, and the number of deaths has increased by nine (20%) to 55, the country’s public health institute said.

 

[Danidl]

update on numbers .... As of 8pm yesterday, 177 people with Covid-19 were in Irish hospitals including 29 people in ICU.

Overall, there have been 785 confirmed cases in the Republic of Ireland and three deaths

Which means a doubling since 18 march or just 4 days

 

[Woosh]

4 days is better than 3 (UK and Germany)

 

[flecc]

4 days is better than 3 (UK and Germany)

Sounds a bit like the cold war Home Office advice during nuclear attack:

"Have a stout brown paper bag handy that you can put over your head to prevent blindness from the intense flash of the explosion".

That gave the comfort of knowing one's eyesight was preserved for the fraction of a second before the blast reached you, stripping the flesh from your skeleton!
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[flecc]

Just had a car borne nose around outdoors. Plenty of kids out and about with mothers and some small clusters of teenagers. But the most notable thing was that I saw the huge harm that this will do to local shopping centres.

My district shopping centre of around 100 shops has long been suffering as most retail has, but we've been keeping the shops mostly occupied by gaining more food outlets like restaurants and cafes, sometimes with a fast food delivery sideline.

But of course they were all closed today following yesterday's order. Given that with so many in one place, some will have been marginal, I'm sure many will fail to reopen after this open ended loss of business.

This really could be the death blow for a further large swathe of on street retail.
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[Wicky]

 

[Nev]

I saw this posted on another forum, seems like sensible precautions to me, do you think some of this could be done in the UK, or is it now too late?

"In general the response from the Asian countries affected early has been tremendous in comparison to developed Europe, largely credited to the learnings from the SARS outbreak.
A friend of mine has just come back from Singapore (which is currently on most countries "red list" - not because of the number of cases but because they were affected early) and said they have temperature checks on going in public places, handing out hand sanitizer and masks to citizens free of charge, setting up hand sanitizer stations in all public areas, sanitizing handrails, etc. and covering keypads with cling film and changing it every 30 minutes. Basically a whole raft of measures that they implemented immediately to smother the spread."

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Just had a car borne nose around outdoors. Plenty of kids out and about with mothers and some small clusters of teenagers. But the most notable thing was that I saw the huge harm that this will do to local shopping centres.

My district shopping centre of around 100 shops has long been suffering as most retail has, but we've been keeping the shops mostly occupied by gaining more food outlets like restaurants and cafes, sometimes with a fast food delivery sideline.

But of course they were all closed today following yesterday's order. Given that with so many in one place, some will have been marginal, I'm sure many will fail to reopen after this open ended loss of business.

This really could be the death blow for a further large swathe of on street retail.
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I went walking this morning on the usually desolate trails. They were very busy today, big groups of families, probably three generation all together. A walkers tea room was closed, but the one further on was open and the garden was solid with people, children running around and screaming. I’ve never seen it so busy and got back home ASAP. I’ve heard that the council have had to close the entire country park because people are grouping together, BBQs and slabs of lager. The National Trust have had to do the same at a couple of nearby properties. People aren’t getting it.

 

[Danidl]