Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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Seriously, I don't think Corbyn is racist or a Jew hater, he has shown incredible weakness and indecision over the issue. He should have acted swiftly and confronted it head on, facing down his accusers.
This simply isn't true. From the outset he has vigorously denied it exists to any real degree, while apologising for the odd cases that will exist in any organisation.

But he cannot confront something that doesn't exist. The presence only exists in the form of unproven allegations, largely from Jewish activists, which he has denied.

He has done as much as Boris Johnson has for the Tory party on this issue, but the Jews won't accept Corbyn's for the reasons I've already given repeatedly.
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oyster

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Yet more confirmed illegal behaviour from AggregateIQ:

Brexit data firm broke Canadian privacy laws, watchdog finds
AggregateIQ, hired by Vote Leave in 2016, failed to ensure authorisation to disclose UK voter information
 

Zlatan

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The EHRC investigation isn't an unconfirmed event. It's ongoing.

Seriously, I don't think Corbyn is racist or a Jew hater, he has shown incredible weakness and indecision over the issue. He should have acted swiftly and confronted it head on, facing down his accusers.
Whereas our NHS has just announced it cant cope this winter yet you support the Tories in continuing their attack on NHS but Corbyn criticises Israel for their treatment of Palestinians and you choose BJ over him. That does not really stack up 50.
Like you say Corbyn is neither anti semitic or a racist so you, re only fear is the probable damage he might do to our economy. In reality our country needs billions spent on it to improve its efficiency and the Tories have hardly made us all rich.
Let Corbyn have a go at stimulating the economy by investment rather than strangling it as Tories have done.
I, m not keen on many of Corbyn's opinions, I do think his true belief is nearer Marxism than Labour. His handling of many situations jas been poor but he is infinetely more trustworthy than BJ and current Toru mob.
 
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Its almost 2020 and people are arguing we cant afford to spend on our society. Wonder how many of those are visiting food banks this Christmas?
We should not need food banks and would not if we had anything approaching a caring society.
We cant afford to feed society properly?
We cant afford to educate our children properly?
We cant afford to run hospitals properly?
Yet some think Tory fiscal policies are working? They are not.
 

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Would someone be good enough to remind me why some people voted and manipulated for brexit?

European government ministers will vote on Thursday on a new directive that would require multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the EU’s 28 member states.

The proposed rule is designed to shine a light on how large companies avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes around the world by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions such as Luxembourg, Ireland and Malta.

It would make country-by-country reporting mandatory for companies with an annual turnover of more than €750m.

The vote comes more than three years after the European commission promised to expose multinational corporations’ tax avoidance measures following the Panama Papers revelations.

According to European parliament research, EU nations collectively miss out on an estimated €50bn-€70bn a year through corporate tax avoidance.

And just what will the UK do in that direction?
 
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Zlatan

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Would someone be good enough to remind me why some people voted and manipulated for brexit?

European government ministers will vote on Thursday on a new directive that would require multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the EU’s 28 member states.

The proposed rule is designed to shine a light on how large companies avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes around the world by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions such as Luxembourg, Ireland and Malta.

It would make country-by-country reporting mandatory for companies with an annual turnover of more than €750m.

The vote comes more than three years after the European commission promised to expose multinational corporations’ tax avoidance measures following the Panama Papers revelations.

According to European parliament research, EU nations collectively miss out on an estimated €50bn-€70bn a year through corporate tax avoidance.

And just what will the UK do in that direction?
Totally agree with your point but the biggest offenders have always been within EU. Luxembourg PM presided over their changes to attract thousands of companies registering in Luxembourg to avoid paying tax in their country of origin. That PM went on to become head of EU,and as yet EU have not passed a single law to stop this behavoiur. (Luxembourg went from 32nd in GDP per capita to no 1)
The EU are as guilty as UK on this probably more so. Google for a list of companies registered in Luxembourg stealing from rest of EU... And meanwhile we have food banks... Even whilst in EU...
 
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Danidl

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Totally agree with your point but the biggest offenders have always been within EU. Luxembourg PM presided over their changes to attract thousands of companies registering in Luxembourg to avoid paying tax in their country of origin. That PM went on to become head of EU,and as yet EU have not passed a single law to stop this behavoiur. (Luxembourg went from 32nd in GDP per capita to no 1)
The EU are as guilty as UK on this probably more so. Google for a list of companies registered in Luxembourg stealing from rest of EU... And meanwhile we have food banks... Even whilst in EU...
Well of course the biggest offenders in Europe are in the EU. But the exact same EU,with the exact same President has masterminded the scheme which will be enacted, to the benefit of all 28 ..assuming the UK remains a member. It is absurd to assume a country will not seek to advance themselves by the rules in place. They would be negligent not to do so.
What is immoral is to deliberately and illegally flustrate attempts to level the playing field for all.
Ireland may very well lose out in this new realignment ,but if it is fair, it is fair.
 
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oldgroaner

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Would someone be good enough to remind me why some people voted and manipulated for brexit?

European government ministers will vote on Thursday on a new directive that would require multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the EU’s 28 member states.

The proposed rule is designed to shine a light on how large companies avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes around the world by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions such as Luxembourg, Ireland and Malta.

It would make country-by-country reporting mandatory for companies with an annual turnover of more than €750m.

The vote comes more than three years after the European commission promised to expose multinational corporations’ tax avoidance measures following the Panama Papers revelations.

According to European parliament research, EU nations collectively miss out on an estimated €50bn-€70bn a year through corporate tax avoidance.


And just what will the UK do in that direction?
Pure coincidence, Boris just wants to "let the Lion loose"
He'll put his head in it's mouth and forget not to sneeze.
 
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Its almost 2020 and people are arguing we cant afford to spend on our society. Wonder how many of those are visiting food banks this Christmas?
We should not need food banks and would not if we had anything approaching a caring society.
We cant afford to feed society properly?
We cant afford to educate our children properly?
We cant afford to run hospitals properly?
Yet some think Tory fiscal policies are working? They are not.

The thing is the very people that are directly affected will either not vote or not vote Labour because of Corbyn.

His dislike is huge and when he gets a chance on national tv where he isn’t on a podium addressing adoring fans he comes across as shifty, bored and annoyed. Anyone that questions him is wrong. He hates the press.

This is the worst the Tories have been for two decades yet they are double digits ahead in the polls. The country is bleeding and suffering yet still people would rather vote anyone but him.

It’s a national disgrace the official opposition can’t get its act together.

They are organised like a fringe protest group rather than her majesty’s official opposition. They have no rebuttal unit so any smear sticks and runs and runs.

Is not whether they can win it’s whether they can not lose to badly. And I tell you this they will have to physically drag Corbyn away from the leadership role.

It will probably split the party and lead to yet another decade of cuts and cruelty.
 
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oldgroaner

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I see, and when did I say that?
You didn't use those exact words, but have made many commentssuch as this
Zlatan said:
mol.im

Boris Johnson WINS final vote on his Queen's Speech
The Queen's Speech contains all of the draft laws which Mr Johnson's government wants to pass and this evening MPs voted in favour of his legislative agenda by 310 votes to 294, majority 16.
mol.im
This sums up Jeremy Corbyn.
Says for months he supports and wants a second referendum then when he gets chance to have it voted in in HoC doesnt support it.
How on earth can that be playing long game, or being clever. No doubt flecc will find someway to excuse, support the man. Does anyone actually know what he wants. He didnt want an election but now does. Wanted ref2 but now doesnt. Dont think it would have got through but cant now because Bercow has scuppered it. (Had Corbyn supported motion it would have been put to house)????

Why doesnt Corbyn want ref2. Somebody please explain. That makes no sense. But what do we expect.
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What Corbyn wants is this:

1) Out of the EU.
2) To raid the bank accounts and pension pots of savers.
3) To confiscate assets such as second homes, share certificates and public schools.
4) To shovel free money into the pockets of the bone idle.

The problem he faces is packaging that lot into something which a sane member of the public would vote for. That’s why he’s ended up looking confused, dodgy, untrustworthy and unelectable."

It's the phrase
4) To shovel free money into the pockets of the bone idle.
That gives the impression that you regard the worse off as undeserving, does it not?
 
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oldgroaner

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You have not answered the original question, so we will not move on until you have.

Has the USA wish list been agreed? Yes or No.
Pending delivery of No Brexit
Johnson's vehement denials are about as solid proof as you can get, the only thing he is consistent in is Lying.
 
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50Hertz

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You didn't use those exact words, but have made many commentssuch as this

What Corbyn wants is this:

1) Out of the EU.
2) To raid the bank accounts and pension pots of savers.
3) To confiscate assets such as second homes, share certificates and public schools.
4) To shovel free money into the pockets of the bone idle.

The problem he faces is packaging that lot into something which a sane member of the public would vote for. That’s why he’s ended up looking confused, dodgy, untrustworthy and unelectable."

It's the phrase
4) To shovel free money into the pockets of the bone idle.
That gives the impression that you regard the worse off as undeserving, does it not?
Not at all. Quite the reverse.
 

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The conclusion of the YouGove poll appears to be a 68 seat majority for Boris.
It will be interesting to see how this works out.
 
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