Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Labour are anything but clear.

They are going to renegotiate a Brexit deal with an EU that are adamant that they won’t renegotiate. Once they’ve not renegotiated a deal, they will put it to a referendum and campaign against it. What?

They are going to spend tens of billions on a nuclear deterrent that they have stated, very clearly, that they will never use. Uh?

They are going to renationalise certain industries but have no clue how to pay the bill. They have no concept of a plan, cash, loans, government bonds, nothing. WTF?

Then there’s the Jew issues.

Sorry but that is wrong in almost every way
They are trying to renegotiate a deal because the referendum desired that
They are very likely to get a "better deal" including Market and customs access
They are offering a referendum for the pubic to make the final decision
Re nationalising is a million times preferable to having key industries in the hands of enemy states, whatever it costs
The Chinese snapped up the steel industry for pocket money prices, we should have done that..
What the hell is the usual of a Nuclear deterrent that would deter no one anyway, and just makes us a target?
Who on this planet wants to invade or nuke us?
Look at the opposition
"The Federation of American Scientists estimates that Russia possesses 6,500 nuclear weapons, while the United States has 6,185; Russia and the U.S. each have 1,600 active deployed strategic nuclear warheads.
Insane waste of money and resources.
And us?
The UK has been estimated to have a stockpile of 120 active nuclear warheads and 215 nuclear warheads in total.
And only one submarine with 40 odd at sea at any one time.
You couldn't deter anyone with that pathetic show, it just makes us somewhere for the winners of the first strike to take out as a precaution.
We would be far safer to get rid of the lot.

I really don't see why you have a problem with any of that

 

[flecc]

We need the best minds and the best ability, not the best mix of irrelevant things. It doesn’t matter if they all come from a single group.

So that's a dictatorship then, smart people with brains and ability taking control.

You'll never get your above from democracy, especially a one vote per person first past the post system.
.

 

[daveboy]

Sorry but that is wrong in almost every way
They are trying to renegotiate a deal because the referendum desired that
They are very likely to get a "better deal" including Market and customs access
They are offering a referendum for the pubic to make the final decision

So if the EU give us a crap deal then we are more likely to vote to remain...which is what the EU want.....Can you see the flaw in this......Lol

 

[oldgroaner]

We need the c not the best mix of irrelevant things. It doesn’t matter if they all come from a single group.

That sounds pretty much like the logic we used to excuse lording it over the natives in the Empire

 

[Wicky]

In British PM race, a former Russian tycoon quietly wields influence

Temerko won entrée to the top of the Conservative Party during David Cameron’s premiership that began in 2010. At the time, according to Russian financier and Conservative Party activist, Sergei Cristo, the Tories were seeking new sources of cash following the 2008 financial crisis. Temerko paid £90,000 for a bronze bust of Cameron at a fundraising auction in 2013, now displayed at the Carlton Club, an exclusive London private members club. Cameron couldn’t be reached for comment.

Alexander Temerko named in supressed report on Russian influence. Just discovered he made donations to my local Tory MP

Will Quince > Register of Members’ Interests

Last updated: 5 Nov 2019.

2. (a) Support linked to an MP but received by a local party organisation or indirectly via a central party organisation
Name of donor: Alexander Temerko
Address of donor: private

Amount of donation, or nature and value if donation in kind: two auction lot items to raise funds for my re-election campaign, total value £5,750

 

[oldgroaner]

So if the EU give us a crap deal then we are more likely to vote to remain...which is what the EU want.....Can you see the flaw in this......Lol

Now that is the funniest joke of the day, let's recap
May got a deal that was in fact far better than the one Boris dug out of her waste paper basket, and you come out with the line
"EU give us a crap deal then we are more likely to vote to remain"
You are making the assumption of course that they aren't by now quite used to the idea we are going?
And you laugh?

A deal that keeps us in the single market and customs union might very well suit them down to the ground
So what actually are you laughing at?

 

[Fingers]

I don't know if that is true. Labour seem so utterly confused, unclear, unprepared and filled with Jew Hate that I think they may be more dangerous than Brexit. Don't get me wrong, Brexit will be a monumental disaster, but it will be a more entertaining type of monumental disaster than a Labour government disaster. I want value for my disasters.

You really are a sucker aren't you?

You regurgitate anything and everything you read or see.

No wonder you fell for Brexit without an ounce of comprehension or conviction. You just did what the poster told you. You are a Tory wet dream

Want to buy some magic beans?

 

[daveboy]

Now that is the funniest joke of the day, let's recap
May got a deal that was in fact far better than the one Boris dug out of her waste paper basket, and you come out with the line
"EU give us a crap deal then we are more likely to vote to remain"
You are making the assumption of course that they aren't by now quite used to the idea we are going?
And you laugh?

A deal that keeps us in the single market and customs union might very well suit them down to the ground
So what actually are you laughing at?

I'm laughing at how naïve you are.

 

[50Hertz]

You really are a sucker aren't you?

You regurgitate anything and everything you read or see.

No wonder you fell for Brexit without an ounce of comprehension or conviction. You just did what the poster told you. You are a Tory wet dream

Want to buy some magic beans?

Is that the end?

Entertainment value 4/10

Construction 7/10

Content 1/10

 

[50Hertz]

Sorry but that is wrong in almost every way
They are trying to renegotiate a deal because the referendum desired that
They are very likely to get a "better deal" including Market and customs access
They are offering a referendum for the pubic to make the final decision
Re nationalising is a million times preferable to having key industries in the hands of enemy states, whatever it costs
The Chinese snapped up the steel industry for pocket money prices, we should have done that..
What the hell is the usual of a Nuclear deterrent that would deter no one anyway, and just makes us a target?
Who on this planet wants to invade or nuke us?
Look at the opposition
"The Federation of American Scientists estimates that Russia possesses 6,500 nuclear weapons, while the United States has 6,185; Russia and the U.S. each have 1,600 active deployed strategic nuclear warheads.
Insane waste of money and resources.
And us?
The UK has been estimated to have a stockpile of 120 active nuclear warheads and 215 nuclear warheads in total.
And only one submarine with 40 odd at sea at any one time.
You couldn't deter anyone with that pathetic show, it just makes us somewhere for the winners of the first strike to take out as a precaution.
We would be far safer to get rid of the lot.

I really don't see why you have a problem with any of that

‘Then why buy more nukes, which Labour said they will do? Why don’t they just come clean and spell it out like you have done, we all know that’s what they mean, but keeping up this confused pretence just make them look like dodgy idiots.

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm laughing at how naïve you are.

Then you are deluded, and entertain some outdated notions about politics and the importance of this country in international affairs.

 

[50Hertz]

That sounds pretty much like the logic we used to excuse lording it over the natives in the Empire

You changed the content of my post within the quote.

 

[oldgroaner]

‘Then why buy more nukes, which Labour said they will do? Why don’t they just come clean and spell it out like you have done, we all know that’s what they mean, but keeping up this confused pretence just make them look like dodgy idiots.

It seems that some of them still cling to delusion and imagine keeping the weapons a fop to deflect criticism from other parties.
I agree they should articulate the reality of the threat these weapons are to us to the public.

 

[oldgroaner]

You changed the content of my post within the quote.

What? I simply linked to your post, nothing more surely? that was certainly not intentional, apologies if it came out wrong
This is the post
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QUOTE="50Hertz, post: 528117, member: 24725"]
We need the c not the best mix of irrelevant things. It doesn’t matter if they all come from a single group.
[/QUOTE
Sorry but I didn't deliberately delete anything. I can't explain it!
Nevertheless it doesn't change the basis message

 

[Fingers]

Sorry but that is wrong in almost every way
They are trying to renegotiate a deal because the referendum desired that
They are very likely to get a "better deal" including Market and customs access
They are offering a referendum for the pubic to make the final decision
Re nationalising is a million times preferable to having key industries in the hands of enemy states, whatever it costs
The Chinese snapped up the steel industry for pocket money prices, we should have done that..
What the hell is the usual of a Nuclear deterrent that would deter no one anyway, and just makes us a target?
Who on this planet wants to invade or nuke us?
Look at the opposition
"The Federation of American Scientists estimates that Russia possesses 6,500 nuclear weapons, while the United States has 6,185; Russia and the U.S. each have 1,600 active deployed strategic nuclear warheads.
Insane waste of money and resources.
And us?
The UK has been estimated to have a stockpile of 120 active nuclear warheads and 215 nuclear warheads in total.
And only one submarine with 40 odd at sea at any one time.
You couldn't deter anyone with that pathetic show, it just makes us somewhere for the winners of the first strike to take out as a precaution.
We would be far safer to get rid of the lot.

I really don't see why you have a problem with any of that

You had an actual thought.

Well done and keep it up.

 

[50Hertz]

It seems that some of them still cling to delusion and imagine keeping the weapons a fop to deflect criticism from other parties.
I agree they should articulate the reality of the threat these weapons are to us to the public.

Exactly. Labour are a confused clueless mess who will take us to ruin. Johnson is a lying bastard who will ruin us with Brexit. I kind of prefer the Brexit ruination, I think it will be exciting.

 

[oldgroaner]

Exactly. Labour are a confused clueless mess who will take us to ruin. Johnson is a lying bastard who will ruin us with Brexit. I kind of prefer the Brexit ruination, I think it will be exciting.

I do so admire it when you have one of your Anarchistic turns

 

[oldgroaner]

You really are a sucker aren't you?

You regurgitate anything and everything you read or see.

No wonder you fell for Brexit without an ounce of comprehension or conviction. You just did what the poster told you. You are a Tory wet dream

Want to buy some magic beans?

How much are the beans?

 

[oldgroaner]

You had an actual thought.

Well done and keep it up.

We'll have to stop agreeing like this, it could start another conspiracy theory.

 

[oldgroaner]

One for Zlatan to enjoy
Anyone else find it a bit weird that at the Cenetaph yesterday Boris Johnson had scruffy hair, coat open and a red wreath, yet when footage was shown on BBC Breakfast he had tidy hair, suit done up and a green wreath???

He's a Time Lord! and he seems to have lost a lot of weight too!