Brexit, for once some facts.

[50Hertz]

I watched BBCQT last night. They were in South Shields.
The audience was largely pro Labour and pro brexit.

when the question turned to whether Bojo's 12-Dec election would be a Christmas gift, someone in the audience (I suspect a pro BXP) suggested that if the conservatives combine their forces with the BXP, they will wipe out the opposition. Bruce asked 'but that will lead to no deal brexit and Nissan said that the'd leave if we don't have a deal'

Nobody in the audience could articulate a single benefit that brexit would bring to them, all they repeated was 'don't call us idiots, we knew exactly why we voted for brexit'.

I saw that. Don’t be surprised, no one can ever tell you how they will benefit from Brexit.

That audience had many Brexidiots in it. I say ****’em now. They’ve had enough warnings, they’ve had all the evidence, they have experienced the on-set affects of Brexit and they still don’t know why they want Brexit. They still the refuse to change course, so let the stupid northern bastards vote themselves out of work, home and a half decent standard of living. They clearly long for a low skilled, low paid zero hours contract type employment.

I think the government should now be buying water canons and introducing the legislation necessary to use them. This will be needed to wash these twats off the pavement and down the nearest drain when Brexit goes tits up and they start protesting about their own stupid decision.

 

[oldgroaner]

Like I said you just dont see it do you.
You come in here and quite righly criticize or are offended by the fact many people in country would be willing to turn to violence to get their own way. Then you proclaim
"Brexit must be stopped"
Are you thick or something or doing it on purpose.
Its exactly the proclamations and assumption of right that pushes people from both sidesto feel they must go to extremes to be heard.
Yes turning to violence should be abhorred by all.
Proclaiming *Brexit must be stopped" does no more than foster exactly what we all should ctiticize.
You only need to add "at all costs" and your proclamation becomes a cry to arms. Ironic that it was tagged to a good criticism of our violent society.
A point missed completely by you.
What we must do is try and understand what opposing views are and why by talking reasonably. I have tried to do so with you OG but its impossible for you to reciprocate. You will blame me, others, leavers, anyone.
I said months ago we should all take care to not let situation descend.
Time you tried OG.

I'll use small words in the hope you understand.
If Brexit is stopped now about a third of the population will react noisily
If Brexit goes ahead there is a risk that a far larger percentage of the population including disappointed leave voters, remainers and the "Don't knows" will be enraged to the extent of civil disturbance.
Was that hard to comprehend?

You should try understanding two things.

1. Voting for leave created this situation
2. Continuing with it is utter folly and dangerous

What is unreasonable about telling you the truth? it is better than your continuous blame game because Corbyn won't rescue you from the consequences of the wrong decision you made.

Sooner or later the truth has to be faced and a sensible decision to end this madness taken.
The sooner the better.

 

[Woosh]

That audience had many Brexidiots in it. I say ****’em now.

it seems that the marketing hype targets the fact that people are only interested in direct, single step action-reaction.

1. Don't send £350 millions a week to Brussels > let's spend it on the NHS instead.

2. Don't send £350 millions a week to Brussels >Nissan leaves the UK>Loss of production of 520,000 cars a year > the economy shrinks by £7 billions>NHS loses about 3% of that, £210 millions, by just one big manufacturer in that sector alone.

Which message is going to succeed?

 

[flecc]

Like I said you just dont see it do you.
You come in here and quite righly criticize or are offended by the fact many people in country would be willing to turn to violence to get their own way. Then you proclaim
"Brexit must be stopped"
Are you thick or something or doing it on purpose.

If anyone is being thick here it's you Zlatan, not OG.

When something is causing violence and the country to be bitterly divided, the answer is to stop that something, just as OG says.

And that something is Brexit.
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[flecc]

Don't send £350 millions a week to Brussels >Nissan leaves the UK>Loss of production of 520,000 cars a year > the economy shrinks by £7 billions>NHS loses about 3% of that, £300 millions, by just one big manufacturer in that sector alone.

Indeed, it's not just Nissan, a No Deal departure means the loss of virtually all car production in the UK, not to mention a substantial slice of the rest of our manufacturing.
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[Woosh]

Indeed, it's not just Nissan, a No Deal departure means the loss of virtually all car production in the UK, not to mention a substantial slice of the rest of our manufacturing.
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on BBCQT, Kate Andrews of the IEA replied that duty we collect from EU imports could be used in state aids to create new high tech jobs in areas like South Shields.
That reminds me that when people pointed out that NI is let down by his deal, Bojo suggested that Belfast could have a freeport.
They really take their victims for mugs.

 

[Wicky]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/government-100m-no-deal-get-ready-for-brexit-advertising-campaign-819592

Government pulls £100m no-deal 'Get Ready for Brexit' advertising campaign
The 'Get Ready for Brexit' media blitz cost an estimated £100m — but the National Audit Office suggests the ads failed to resonate

Spaffing?

Govt promo hasn't been the same since they used another dodgy blonde bloke for their infamous 'Clunk click every brexit' marketing campaign...

 

[Zlatan]

If anyone is being thick here it's you Zlatan, not OG.

When something is causing violence and the country to be bitterly divided, the answer is to stop that something, just as OG says.

And that something is Brexit.
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Are you sure about that flecc. Stopping Brexit could be doing so, or the attitudes of remainers (not all) playing the blame game.
Like you and I have said in past ref2 could be solution.
Just stopping Brexit is, it appears now, simply not going to happen.
And, as I, ve said for past month we are no nearer a solution than 3 years ago, that is having its toll. Decision should have been made months ago. Procrastination leads to frustration.
Seems 50, OG and yourself wont be happy until we do see water canon on streets dousing leavers, getting their just desserts perhaps starting in Barnsley.

 

[Fingers]

I'll use small words in the hope you understand.
If Brexit is stopped now about a third of the population will react noisily
If Brexit goes ahead there is a risk that a far larger percentage of the population including disappointed leave voters, remainers and the "Don't knows" will be enraged to the extent of civil disturbance.
Was that hard to comprehend?

You should try understanding two things.

1. Voting for leave created this situation
2. Continuing with it is utter folly and dangerous

What is unreasonable about telling you the truth? it is better than your continuous blame game because Corbyn won't rescue you from the consequences of the wrong decision you made.

Sooner or later the truth has to be faced and a sensible decision to end this madness taken.
The sooner the better.

oh dear.

you are slowly descending into madness.

It was inevitable I guess.

This isn't going to be pretty to watch. But watch I shall/

 

[Zlatan]

oh dear.

you are slowly descending into madness.

It was inevitable I guess.

This isn't going to be pretty to watch. But watch I shall/

And you questioned why I stopped posting. Its getting worse.

 

[flecc]

Are you sure about that flecc.

Yes I'm quite sure. Stopping Brexit would of course upset those who voted to leave, but only a minority would want to demonstrate and that wouldn't last so peace would quickly return.

As ever it's how something is done that counts.

The announcement that the current Brexit was being abandoned could be accompanied by the reasons, the closeness of the vote and the split it had caused in society, plus a legal promise.

By that I mean passing a law that guaranteed a fresh referendum in X years time, possibly five years but no longer than ten years.

That would have two benefits, firstly pacifying those disappointed by the cancellation since they'd see the sense of the reasons and would know there was to be another chance. Secondly enabling the political parties to plan their future Brexit referendum positions into their manifestos, thus giving voters a wider choice.
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[Zlatan]

Jeremy Corbyn's aides 'trying to bounce Labour into backing election'

Boris Johnson laid down the gauntlet last night by demanding Jeremy Corbyn approves a poll on December 12, saying it is the only way to resolve the Brexit 'nightmare'.

mol.im

And OG blames me for our current predicament.
Dont like Richard Madely, does anyone? and he hardly represents cutting hard edge of journalism but even with him Corbyn came over as a twit still clinging to fence.
The comments are rather critical of Labour with the usual slating of Abott. (Calling for election on 33rd).
Then we have Boris saying if he doesnt get his election, government are going on strike. Would we actually notice, they have done feck all for last 3 years anyway. What a set of baffoons.
Corbyn refusing to take on a minority tory government. Is that a first for a Labour party?
Both Parties are holding country to ransom.
Boris is hoping EU offer an extension on proviso of a GE which Corbyn's masters refuse. He can then blame Labour for no deal.????

 

[oldgroaner]

oh dear.

you are slowly descending into madness.

It was inevitable I guess.

This isn't going to be pretty to watch. But watch I shall/

Still trying to make a nuisance of yourself and a fool in the process?

 

[Zlatan]

Yes I'm quite sure. Stopping Brexit would of course upset those who voted to leave, but only a minority would want to demonstrate and that wouldn't last so peace would quickly return.

As ever it's how something is done that counts.

The announcement that the current Brexit was being abandoned could be accompanied by the reasons, the closeness of the vote and the split it had caused in society, plus a legal promise.

By that I mean passing a law that guaranteed a fresh referendum in X years time, possibly five years but no longer than ten years.

That would have two benefits, firstly pacifying those disappointed by the cancellation since they'd see the sense of the reasons and would know there was to be another chance. Secondly enabling the political parties to plan their future Brexit referendum positions into their manifestos, thus giving voters a wider choice.
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Sounds another great solution. Give JC and BJ a ring and explain it to them. Reckon their carers might have to explain it... They cant even decide on an election.
They were indecisive they are not so sure now.
To go forward somebody has to make a decision. As government stands they cant, yet opposition are refusing to let a government capable of making a decision forming. Its stalemate. A minority government with an opposition refusing an election is a recipe for indecision.
Country needs an opposition,and a majority government. This situation is plain crazy. And not just for Brexit.

 

[flecc]

Sounds another great solution. Give JC and BJ a ring and explain it to them.

No point with those two. My solution was hypothetical, the sort of thing that two intelligent people concerned with the good of the country might adopt.

The current two are only concerned with their political idealism and personal status.
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[Zlatan]

Still trying to make a nuisance of yourself and a fool in the process?

Try and post on topic OG. Just ignore the deserved insults. There, s a god chap.
Thanks.

 

[Zlatan]

No point with those two. My solution was hypothetical, the sort of thing that two intelligent people concerned with the good of the country might adopt.

The current two are only concerned with their political idealism and personal status.
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Agreed. They really should put individual careers and party politics to one side. Get their heads together and sort it out. We managed it in 1939. We cant do it now.

 

[oldgroaner]

Try and post on topic OG. Just ignore the deserved insults. There, s a god chap.
Thanks.

Take your own advice

 

[Zlatan]

I, ve split that post to keep flec's agreement.

 

[oldgroaner]

Time we all made sacrifices. I volunteer OG.

And you just told me to post on topic?