Just feck off OG. Nobody was speaking to you, you ignorant little oik.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Three reasons:
1) Too many people like you believing the lying propaganda of the Tory party and Tory media.
2) They were coming from too far behind.
3) Brexit confusing the issue with both supporting Leave.
But the facts you refuse to look at remain that their gain was huge, in London alone almost wiping out the Tories, while in the country wiping out all the Tory majority.
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No, it's this comment from you that is irrelevant.
The discussion was about electability, NOT candidate quality, and I showed Labour under Corbyn are often very electable.
In quality there's no disagreement, we both know that most of the some 650 MPs in the House are useless. All we can hope for is swapping one useless bunch for another.
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Splitting hairs now Flecc. Under any objective measure Corbyn and Abott are totally unsuitable as PM and deputy and voting public see it as that. With those two as major figure heads Tories would have to be a whole new level of incompetent before they lose next GE.
I do agree at moment entire 650 MPs appear utterly useless but top place for that list is shared by Corbyn and Abott.
I, m certainly not on my own when I say its Corbyn stopping me voting labour. Whilst he is in charge I simply never will. And I think its extremely insulting to suggest my dislike of Corbyn stems from media. Bull Sh! t. His policies, his handling of party, his sacking of Champion, his pathetic performances, his history, his false persona, his mumbling, his refusing to speak, his views on marxism and the people who do support him are more than enough for me. He shouldnt even be an MP let alone PM.
I, d rather have Blair any day of week even with his lies and New Labour.
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So you are a Tory, this list you've given proves that beyond any possible doubt.
His policies you dislike are Socialist and therefore Labour.
It's a lie that he mumbles, in the House he as loudly as anyone asserts his views.
What you think is Marxism is in fact Socialism, which you as a Tory detest.
And wealthy barrister Blair was and remains a despicable liar, presenting a pseudo Tory party as New Labour when it was nothing of the sort. As a Tory you love that since it means Toryism wins either way. Blair in truth is New Labour's Boris Johnson, utterly contemptible.
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Corbyn didn't get us where we are today, your vote to leave the EU did that.
And who mumbles more than Boris?
I have been following this discussion with limited interest. But just three comments.
1 Blair is less reviled in Ireland than in a England..he was a signature on the GFA. Although Major's role should not be ignored.
2 There is an element of Victim Blaming in Zlalans contribution. Corybn was not in control or power. I would have liked had he been more forthright in creating opposition.. but he was not in power.
3 Corybn is actually a very clear speaker. He could be more decisive as a orator ,Some of his contributions seemed pettifoggery ..but not his diction
1 Blair is less reviled in Ireland than in a England..he was a signature on the GFA. Although Major's role should not be ignored.
2 There is an element of Victim Blaming in Zlalans contribution. Corybn was not in control or power. I would have liked had he been more forthright in creating opposition.. but he was not in power.
3 Corybn is actually a very clear speaker. He could be more decisive as a orator ,Some of his contributions seemed pettifoggery ..but not his diction
That's ok 50, I dont mind.
Flecc, I didnt say I supported Blair, his policies or his lies. I said I prefer him to Corbyn and for one and only one reason. He would get elected and we, d have a labour government even if psuedo one.
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Rally round now and get Brexit done
Now is the time for all gullible voters to come to the aid of those born to rule us
Now is the time for all gullible voters to come to the aid of those born to rule us
You could put a wanking homeless man up for election in Stoke Newington and he would win so long as he was wearing a Labour rosette
Boris Johnson WINS final vote on his Queen's Speech
The Queen's Speech contains all of the draft laws which Mr Johnson's government wants to pass and this evening MPs voted in favour of his legislative agenda by 310 votes to 294, majority 16.
Says for months he supports and wants a second referendum then when he gets chance to have it voted in in HoC doesnt support it.
How on earth can that be playing long game, or being clever. No doubt flecc will find someway to excuse, support the man. Does anyone actually know what he wants. He didnt want an election but now does. Wanted ref2 but now doesnt. Dont think it would have got through but cant now because Bercow has scuppered it. (Had Corbyn supported motion it would have been put to house)????
Why doesnt Corbyn want ref2. Somebody please explain. That makes no sense. But what do we expect.
But a pseudo one blocks us from getting a real one given the majority of the English are small "c" conservative. Moderate is Great Britain's middle name, and that can be a problem.
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A psuedo one is better than none at all and I totally agree UK is extremely moderate, thats exactly why we will never get an extreme left wing labour movement in no 10.
Population has been centrist for years unfortunately political parties have become more polarized towards opposite ends. A tory minded labour party or a socially caring tory one would represent us far better. We have neither.
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Dont ask me, I haven't a clue what he wants!This sums up Jeremy Corbyn.Boris Johnson WINS final vote on his Queen's Speech
The Queen's Speech contains all of the draft laws which Mr Johnson's government wants to pass and this evening MPs voted in favour of his legislative agenda by 310 votes to 294, majority 16.mol.im
Says for months he supports and wants a second referendum then when he gets chance to have it voted in in HoC doesnt support it.
How on earth can that be playing long game, or being clever. No doubt flecc will find someway to excuse, support the man. Does anyone actually know what he wants. He didnt want an election but now does. Wanted ref2 but now doesnt. Dont think it would have got through but cant now because Bercow has scuppered it. (Had Corbyn supported motion it would have been put to house)????
Why doesnt Corbyn want ref2. Somebody please explain. That makes no sense. But what do we expect.
So what, there are numerous Tory constituencies where any of their chinless wonders would be predicted to win, including my predominantly Tory constituency where their Gavin Barlow had held the seat.
But as I've shown, Labour under Corbyn in 2017 blitzed the Tories with a completely new untried candidate.
Shown me a previously solely Labour "Stoke Newington" where a new Tory reversed the vote to themselves so decisively during Corbyn's Labour leadership. Then you'd have an argument.
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Agreed, which is why the next best thing is to alternate between what we've got now so each moderates the other. There was a time when we had that. Having two forms of Tory party is no substitute as 1997 to 2010 showed.
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And this is the smart ass that came on here to lecture us on being polite and respectful?
I repeat your voting for Brexit makes you responsible for the situation we are now in, the fact that 17.4 million did the same does not lessen your responsibility.
Remember that when things start going seriously downhill.
And try to stop being in your own words
An ignorant little oik.
You won, now admit your responsibility instead of blaming all and sundry
Your choice, your mess.
And now you are wailing because Corbyn won't rescue you?
Tough!
At last, the true meaning of Brexit is revealed.Rally round now and get Brexit done
Now is the time for all gullible voters to come to the aid of those born to rule us
What Corbyn wants is this:This sums up Jeremy Corbyn.Boris Johnson WINS final vote on his Queen's Speech
The Queen's Speech contains all of the draft laws which Mr Johnson's government wants to pass and this evening MPs voted in favour of his legislative agenda by 310 votes to 294, majority 16.
Says for months he supports and wants a second referendum then when he gets chance to have it voted in in HoC doesnt support it.
How on earth can that be playing long game, or being clever. No doubt flecc will find someway to excuse, support the man. Does anyone actually know what he wants. He didnt want an election but now does. Wanted ref2 but now doesnt. Dont think it would have got through but cant now because Bercow has scuppered it. (Had Corbyn supported motion it would have been put to house)????
Why doesnt Corbyn want ref2. Somebody please explain. That makes no sense. But what do we expect.
1) Out of the EU.
2) To raid the bank accounts and pension pots of savers.
3) To confiscate assets such as second homes, share certificates and public schools.
4) To shovel free money into the pockets of the bone idle.
The problem he faces is packaging that lot into something which a sane member of the public would vote for. That’s why he’s ended up looking confused, dodgy, untrustworthy and unelectable.
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