Brexit, for once some facts.
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There's nothing like an unbiassed opinion
That wasn't, spoken straight from the wallet by gad!
No Child should be disadvantaged education wise because of it's parents circumstances, I would like to see the end of money being used to subvert the right to universal education in this way, and abolition of private schools.
As to that last paragraph, you have just described the situation that will result from a Conservative Government, they are the ones in favour of selling off the NHS and using immigration for their own ends
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Trouble is OG banning private schools will simply put loads of extra burden on state. Its fine having good ideals and in an ideal society with good funding for state education we would not need a private system. We dont live in an ideal society. We cant and certainly wont put the cash needed into state to pick up kids not allowed in private. Will be another rounding down.
Will they ban private tuition aswell??
Home education?
Crazy.
They would be far better saying for every paid pupil in private they must accept a none paying one. Open up the privilige to all. Or something similar.
Corbyn and Abbot will come up with new ideas to keep out of no10.
Private education is not something which can only be accessed by the rich. I personally know of three ordinary working families who send a child to private school. One is a policeman (PC rank), the mother works shifts in a supermarket checkout. The others hold down similar income jobs.
What separates the families I described above from many others is that they choose to invest in their children rather than a leased Range Rover Evoke, or a tit inflation and face resurfacing job for the wife. These families don’t take their children out of school during term time in order to bag a cheap Disney package in Florida. They take their kids on a cheap camping holiday & spend time with them, reinvesting the “Disney Money” in their futures.
These private schools aren’t Eaton either, they are modestly priced institutions which owe much of their success to the dedication and support given by the children's parents. Labour want to confiscate, destroy and level this opportunity for children. It’s child abuse.
The most sickening aspect is that many people who want to get rid of private schools are currently educating their own children in a private school right now. Chakrabarti and Abbott being two who immediately spring to mind.
This is another example of how Labour’s Communist Theme Park will punish anyone with a trace of responsibility within them. I’d take Johnson as PM every time if the alternative is Labour in its present form.
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For many, it’s not a privilege, it’s a huge sacrifice. The Eaton’s and Harrows, yes they tend to be from very privileged backgrounds, but many of the smaller private schools rely heavily on dedicated parents.
The smaller private schools are on a winner straight away. The parents have usually made huge sacrifices to get their kids their so they are interested, they want to offer support and help, they are keen on good behaviour, respect and discipline. Open that school up as a freebie and it will be abused. You’ll have gum chewing resurfaced face woman turning up in the leased Evoke, backing up her misbehaving children and being abusive to staff. It takes one child from a scum family and it can drag the whole institution down, especially if there is no easy mechanism to dispose of them.
I think these small independent schools are brilliant, the fee filters out those parents who are genuinely interested in their children, and being genuinely interested is 75% of what is needed to bring up a good child.
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No, I have no dealings at all with the private education system.
I like modestly priced education because it filters out those who truly appreciate the value of learning. Give it out free and it gets abused and we end up with our current broken, completely useless state system which is failing many children and setting them up for a life of failure.
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mmm... I know where you are coming from but private isnt answer.
State should have power to remove those not following basic rules and funding to help those that do.
I had a lot to do with education in a secure unit for young offenders. (I ran it for a few years) Their fees were dearer than Etons, every penny waisted.
I havent got any answers. Society is ill, educational stupor is merely a symptom. Glad I, m well away from it all.
Relying on a private privilged system for those that can afford it will just create bigger divisions. There are good schools, there are some failing ones too.
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Banning or promoting private will solve nothing. It only represents a small %age but the issue is perhaps those in power tend to have had priviliged private education, which wrankles our communists.???
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I think it must have reversed into something harder than it was!
How do you abuse education? answer make it paid for , Boris and co are perfect examples, as is the petrified pencil.
Regarding youor last paragraph
It rankles those who believe in Education being a basic Human Right!
Nothing whatsoever to do with communism, a great deal to do being a humanitarian.
You should try it sometime
Good. I hope we do ban private school. It’s a conveyor belt churning out self entitled, self important scum who think they are far more clever than they are. Take away their tax exemption and their charitable status.
Tax those fuckers till they burst. We won’t need to ban them actually just make the little darlings parents pay what they should be paying without state hand outs. They are the real scum in this farce.
I’m happy for my money to be shared out to the less fortunate than me. It’s called society.
Your racist fantasy of abuse of the NHS is straight of the Enoch Powell playbook. It dates you.
Stick to magnets not life advice. And stop eating so many lemons. They make you sound bitter.
And that of course is what has long crippled the state education system. The private sector selfishly creams off the top end, leaving the lower end that drags down the rest the strongest influence in the state schools, as you've illustrated.
The answer isn't creaming off the top, the best answer is to remove the low end by allowing more permanent exclusion to the special education units instead of condemning the head teachers who exclude.
That would give the majority state schools a more level playing field with correspondingly much better outcomes, the special education units passing out the "can't learn, won't learn" minority to the unskilled manual worker sector, for which there will always be the need.
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The proposal will be watered down, maybe taking away the charity status.
Take your children out of school during term time in order to snatch a cheap holiday.
By not supporting teachers when your child is disruptive or disrespectful at school. Siding with the child instead.
Parents threatening teachers with violence for giving constructive criticism about their child.
Not ensuring children do homework or that they at home at a reasonable time during a school week.
Want a few more?
Quite a lot of years ago, I lived in a city which has a very famous public school.
Much of the time, I really didn’t notice them because they were within their extensive grounds. From time to time, though, the general population came into contact with them. One example:
In one of the local pharmacies. A queue of people waiting to be served – being a pharmacy, many of them actually ill and wanting medicines. Pupils from the public school walked in, went past the queue, were immediately served. And they never paid – everything was logged and charged through the school. Quite often they would be buying a hairbrush or sponge bag.
Utter lack of manners. Total entitlement.
No - not a well argued case to retain or abolish them. But very much what is wrong about those who pass through their hands.
Much of the time, I really didn’t notice them because they were within their extensive grounds. From time to time, though, the general population came into contact with them. One example:
In one of the local pharmacies. A queue of people waiting to be served – being a pharmacy, many of them actually ill and wanting medicines. Pupils from the public school walked in, went past the queue, were immediately served. And they never paid – everything was logged and charged through the school. Quite often they would be buying a hairbrush or sponge bag.
Utter lack of manners. Total entitlement.
No - not a well argued case to retain or abolish them. But very much what is wrong about those who pass through their hands.
Making the quality of education variable on the amount parents are able to spend is a gross abuse of the education system, and simple leads to furthering class division.
It's archaic and should be eliminated.
All children should be treated as of equal worth
It's archaic and should be eliminated.
All children should be treated as of equal worth
Your obsession about parents taking children out if school early could be easily remedied.
Don't let travel agents rip off parents during school holidays. What they do is criminal and needs curtailing forthwith.