Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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As Fingers says. You are a liar. You have done little else but insult people.
Or perhaps you are denying calling my stance mad or that I, ve never been involved in negotiations.?(and thats only in last few pages)
Its in your posts OG. You know full well where. I suspect you are delusional. My comments are not insults, they are observations. You are a liar, I suspect you are mad and believe you to be delusional. Count your posts on here OG. Thats not quite normal is it?
Thank you for verifying your stance is mad, which clearly it is and i have every right to call it thus.
Rather different to the fact
You called me mad, personally, as a straight off the cuff unconnected insult.
And with some relish you mange to make your position even worse with a string of uncalled for insults

"suspect you are delusional. My comments are not insults, they are observations. You are a liar, I suspect you are mad and believe you to be delusional. Count your posts on here OG. Thats not quite normal is it?

Perhaps you can explain why is it
That my comments are insults
Your insults are observations?

You show no aptitude for negotiations do you? proposing to deploy a "Reliance on threats" situation, which does not work, and shows your lack of practical experience.
And you have a habit of twisting other peoples words for example you posted this
"or that I, ve never been involved in negotiations.?" As if I had made such a claim.

Is that an admission? what I actually wrote was this

Clearly you have little to no experience in negotiating have you?

exaggeration doesn't improve your argument, so stick to being factual rather than fanciful lies
And of course there is this classic

"As Fingers says. You are a liar. You have done little else but insult people."
My, my, have you forgotten your role model fingers lied about attributing his claim that "A million people people viewed this thread" to me?
And he still keeps trotting it out when the fancy takes him
The pair of you are just plain silly
Comical and amusing too, in small doses.
But it would be better if you could occasionally wander back on topic
 
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Zlatan

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Yes it does. As I’ve said before, if you don’t fear no deal, why should the EU?
BTW both sides should fear no deal. Once we remove it, fears from both sides disappear. Thats the problem with one side removing it, it benefits both sides.
 
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Zlatan

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Thank you for verifying your stance is mad, which clearly it is and i have every right to call it thus.
Rather different to the fact
You called me mad, personally, as a straight off the cuff unconnected insult.
And with some relish you mange to make your position even worse with a string of uncalled for insults

"suspect you are delusional. My comments are not insults, they are observations. You are a liar, I suspect you are mad and believe you to be delusional. Count your posts on here OG. Thats not quite normal is it?

Perhaps you can explain why is it
That my comments are insults
Your insults are observations?

You show no aptitude for negotiations do you? proposing to deploy a "Reliance on threats" situation, which does not work, and shows your lack of practical experience.
And you have a habit of twisting other peoples words for example you posted this
"or that I, ve never been involved in negotiations.?" As if I had made such a claim.

Is that an admission? what I actually wrote was this

Clearly you have little to no experience in negotiating have you?

exaggeration doesn't improve your argument, so stick to being factual rather than fanciful
And of course there is this classic

"As Fingers says. You are a liar. You have done little else but insult people."
My, my, have you forgotten your role model fingers lied about attributing his claim that "A million people people viewed this thread" to me?
And he still keeps trotting it out when the fancy takes him
The pair of you are just plain silly
Comical and amusing too, in small doses.
But it would be better if you could occasionally wander back on topic
I, ve not read this. Life is too short. **** off. You are a proven liar.
I will read your posts after you have apologised or found my "nice deals" post. I, m not discussing anything with a liar.
Especially a mad, delusional one.
 
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oldgroaner

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I, ve not read this. Life is too short. **** off. You are a proven liar.
No Zlatan I do not lie, perhaps you would care to prove I do? I can of course easily prove you do, just read my last post.
And yet again you have resorted to being insulting.
And you lecture others on here on how to negotiate? what comedy!
Even Boris could beat you! :cool:
 

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No Zlatan I do not lie, perhaps you would care to prove I do? I can of course easily prove you do, just read my last post.
And yet again you have resorted to being insulting.
And you lecture others on here on how to negotiate? what comedy!
Even Boris could beat you! :cool:
You have repeatedly accused me of saying Brexit would produce some "nice deals". (posts are there for you to read, you know full well where)
I called you out for this a month ago and you have yet to find the offending post and yet refuse to apologize. Its quite marked you failed to comment on this fabrication. A lie, made to put me down. You are a liar, fact. Like I said earlier, either apologise or find the post.
Or are you going to simply gloss over your indescretion (lie) again.
That is delusional. Pretending, or perhaps believing, it never happened.
So we have proof you are a liar. Evidence you are delusional and by sheer volume of posts and time spent on here a fair indication you are mad. Only a mad person would devote their lives to a thread 10 people read.
How many times have you posted on here n past 3 years? And you dont think that is madness?? Proof in itself.
A liar. Delusional and mad.
 
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You have repeatedly accused me of saying Brexit would produce some "nice deals". (posts are there for you to read, you know full well where)
I called you out for this a month ago and you have yet to find the offending post and yet refuse to apologize. Its quite marked you failed to comment on this fabrication. A lie, made to put me down. You are a liar, fact. Like I said earlier, either apologise or find the post.
Or are you going to simply gloss over your indescretion (lie) again.
That is delusional. Pretending, or perhaps believing, it never happened.
So we have proof you are a liar. Evidence you are delusional and by sheer volume of posts and time spent on here a fair indication you are mad. Only a mad person would devote their lives to a thread 10 people read.

You can’t treat him seriously. If it is a he.

This could be the ultimate troll account.

Lies upon lies upon lies from this one.

He posted many times about his million viewers and used to say often that we need to keep on topic as the viewers didn’t want threads meandering off....When in fact it was usually him insulting someone that deviated the thread.
 

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How far will this get?

Labour members to push for anti-Brexit stance at conference
Vast majority of motions submitted call for party to explicitly back remain
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/15/labour-members-to-push-for-anti-brexit-stance-at-conference
For life of me I have never been able to understand why on earth Labour and Corbyn havent represented remain from outset. Its been trully unbelievable and represents probably major issue around the divisive nature of the situation.
I believe in leaving but can see that remain has not been fully represented which has led to the appearance their protestations are anti democratic. Fact is that since neither major party has represented remain we have never really known the precise distribution of support for either. Corbyn should have gambled, supported Remain and had he been elected on it, even against my better judgement, I would have supported the outcome.And, Im fairly sure, so would majority of leavers. Thats how our system is supposed to work. The party representing the majority view gets elected. Corbyn, IMHO, as just tried to be too clever. He should have kept it simple. Had he not got in with Remain in last manifesto, so what. He, s back in opposition,where he is now.
 
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For life of me I have never been able to understand why on earth Labour and Corbyn havent represented remain from outset. Its been trully unbelievable and represents probably major issue around the divisive nature of the situation.
I believe in leaving but can see that remain has not been fully represented which has led to the appearance their protestations are anti democratic. Fact is that since neither major party has represented remain we have never really known the precise distribution of support for either. Corbyn should have gambled, supported Remain and had he been elected on it, even against my better judgement, I would have supported the outcome.And, Im fairly sure, so would majority of leavers. Thats how our system is supposed to work. The party representing the majority view gets elected. Corbyn, IMHO, as just tried to be too clever. He should have kept it simple. Had he not got in with Remain in last manifesto, so what. He, s back in opposition,where he is now.
I agree with you on that point. I have been extremely surprised that Labour took the stance it has taken..and I have referred a few times over the last few years. Flec suggests that it is a strategy ,but I have always seen it as a weakness . The depth of which was made clear at the Euro elections
 
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I agree with you on that point. I have been extremely surprised that Labour took the stance it has taken..and I have referred a few times over the last few years. Flec suggests that it is a strategy ,but I have always seen it as a weakness . The depth of which was made clear at the Euro elections
it's down to JC's character.
He's not ready to be PM, at the time of the referendum, not even now, and there is plenty of competition for the job.
Corbyn is a good tactician but not strategist.
He saw that voters are divided and tried to use it against the tories, hurting himself in the process.
 
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I expected remain would win in a second referendum and not by much but the swing in the North of England surprises me.
The region voted 71% for leave last time, now it would be a small win to remain.

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North East Lincolnshire voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU three years ago by 71 per cent but, due to all the uncertainty and to-ing and fro-ing ever since, we thought we would see if anyone's changed their mind.

Our Grimsby Live Facebook poll asked people which way they would vote if there was a second referendum and although it must be remembered that anyone, anywhere can access the social media network, voters were almost exactly split down the middle and by the most slender of margins, most actually said they would vote to remain in the EU.

According to our Facebook poll, 8,400 backed Remain out of the 16,700 votes that were cast, with 8,300 in favour of Leave.
 
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QUOTE:

According to our Facebook poll, 8,400 backed Remain out of the 16,700 votes that were cast, with 8,300 in favour of Leave.
Older people are more likely to have voted leave and older people are less likely to use Facebook and before anybody says "how to you know older people voted leave" it has been quoted many times by Remainers that as the older end die off we are more likely to get a remain vote.
 
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I, ve not read this. Life is too short. **** off. You are a proven liar.
I will read your posts after you have apologised or found my "nice deals" post. I, m not discussing anything with a liar.
Especially a mad, delusional one.
Hmm hard to trace your earlier posts
Oops! We ran into some problems.
This member limits who may view their full profile.

But don't worry, I didn't make that up, you were responding to my asking what was your reason for voting Brexit at the time, and I responded to you comment about an opportunity to make some "neat deals" with the question "so it was for a personal profit motive?"
A fair question yet some how you have become desperate to deny what wasn't all that remarkable at the time.

I found this

Thanks Flecc..read rule 3.
Seems more ignore it than comply..or comprehend it how they see fit...to do exactly what rule 3 asks people not to..ie push their own agenda..??? ie slate Brexiters, promote remain..( accepted not you but certainly majority on this thread)
You shouldn't justify that on a Pedelec forum.Its not healthy and will lead to insults and threats. Guaranteed. Seen it on other so called sports forums.( ruined a dive forum I used to frequent)
We are not all level headed....its an invite for the aggressive and obsessed types to argue...seems to me most Brexiters have realised this and withdrawn. Only needs one extreme character ...luckily so far absent. ( I,m ashamed to say I didn't vote)
You can’t treat him seriously. If it is a he.

This could be the ultimate troll account.

Lies upon lies upon lies from this one.

He posted many times about his million viewers and used to say often that we need to keep on topic as the viewers didn’t want threads meandering off....When in fact it was usually him insulting someone that deviated the thread.
You posted about the million viewers you had made up, not me, as usual you are lying
 
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Zlatan

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Hmm hard to trace your earlier posts
Oops! We ran into some problems.
This member limits who may view their full profile.

But don't worry, I didn't make that up, you were responding to my asking what was your reason for voting Brexit at the time, and I responded to you comment about an opportunity to make some "neat deals" with the question "so it was for a personal profit motive?"
A fair question yet some how you have become desperate to deny what wasn't all that remarkable at the time.

I found this

Thanks Flecc..read rule 3.
Seems more ignore it than comply..or comprehend it how they see fit...to do exactly what rule 3 asks people not to..ie push their own agenda..??? ie slate Brexiters, promote remain..( accepted not you but certainly majority on this thread)
You shouldn't justify that on a Pedelec forum.Its not healthy and will lead to insults and threats. Guaranteed. Seen it on other so called sports forums.( ruined a dive forum I used to frequent)
We are not all level headed....its an invite for the aggressive and obsessed types to argue...seems to me most Brexiters have realised this and withdrawn. Only needs one extreme character ...luckily so far absent. ( I,m ashamed to say I didn't vote)

You posted about the million viewers you had made up, not me, as usual you are lying
You really arent well. Go take a tablet and lie down.
Notice you have spent hours searching but failed to find any of my comments linking Brexit to "nice deals". You wont, there arent any, except ofcourse fabricated in your own mind. You my friend are a liar, it was a complete fabrication. Anyone with the slightest decency would apologize , probably offering some excuse about confusiion with another poster.,but not you. Just dig deeper, blame others and carry on putting folk down.
Apologise OG. It was a complete lie.
BTW, I dont have a profile to withhold on here. I, m not publishing anything on here, or anywhere on internet, where my identity is known. Anyone who does is foolish these days. A poster was threatened on this very thread.
You dont need to know a posters identity, lifestyle, address or anything to discuss opinions.Unless, like you, posters have inferioty complexes and feel a need to spout about achievements.
But, I, m not sure how being a toilet salesman/fitter/engineer qualifies anybody to be such an offensive know it all.
 
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Notice you have spent hours searching but failed to find any of my comments linking Brexit to "nice deals". You wont, there arent any, except ofcourse fabricated in your own mind. You my friend are a liar, it was a complete fabrication.
You've accused OG of saying you'd posted about Nice Deals or Neat Deals etc, seemingly not making your mind up which it was, and repeatedly called him a liar.

You may not have used the precise words neat or nice, but OG is not lying about the meaning of your posts.

You have repeatedly posted that the countries within the EU will agree deals with us once we leave, clearly implying they will be more favourable than what we have at present within the EU. You've even quoted Peter Hargreaves as saying so. Here's some links to click on and read your content:




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Zlatan

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You've accused OG of saying you'd posted about Nice Deals or Neat Deals etc, seemingly not making your mind up which it was, and repeatedly called him a liar.

You may not have used the precise words neat or nice, but OG is not lying about the meaning of your posts.

You have repeatedly posted that the countries within the EU will agree deals with us once we leave, clearly implying they will be more favourable than what we have at present within the EU. You've even quoted Peter Hargreaves as saying so. Here's some links to click on and read your content:




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OG accused me of saying I had said I personally would benefit from "nice deals". There is no connection at all between Hargreaves' comments relating to country getting a deal and OG stating I would benefit from personal "nice deals".
He is a liar. I said no such thing and he knows that to be case. Thats why he either changes subject or says nothing about his comments.
 
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Zlatan

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I stand corrected, OG's actual phrase was "neat deals"
I said no such thing. Screenshot_20190916_124441.jpg

This is a complete fabrication. A downright lie. I never said anything of the kind.
OG has had since April to find the post where I made this statement or apologise. He has done neither. He is a liar.
Its there in black and white, quite clear. He even asks what I meant by neat deals. Perhaps he should answer his own question.
Do a search on "neat deals" from my posts. Its not difficult. The only time I, ve mentioned the phrase is in denying having said it. He made it up. I dont think anyone has actually used the phrase.
 
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How flecc can disagree with that I can only guess. Which part is incorrect Flecc.?
"I recall you saying" you saw the possibility of doing some neat deals"".
A complete lie. Fact.
 

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