Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

When the police can seize your vehicle

The police can seize a vehicle if they think it’s being used in a way that causes alarm, harassment or distress, for example careless or inconsiderate driving.

Being stopped by the police while driving

What happens if you're stopped by the police while driving - breath tests, motoring offences, faults with your vehicle, seizing your vehicle

www.gov.uk

But they have to release it again, either by not bringing a prosecution, which is usually the case, or by a court not upholding confication when the police they try a prosecution. In any case much of this doesn't apply with commercials.

The evidence from the fuel protest was clear, the police have no chance with en-masse commercial vehicles and their professional drivers.
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[50Hertz]

But they have to release it again, either by not bringing a prosecution or by a court not upholding confication when the police they try a prosecution.

The evidence from the fuel protest was clear, the police have no chance with en-masse commercial vehicles and their professional drivers.
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But vehicles can be confiscated and you said they could not. Careless / inconsiderate driving attracts points on the licence. Repeatedly offending WILL lead to the loss of the licence, so again, you were incorrect.

Driving unusually slowly on a motorway using a large lorry to intentionally cause a blockage is not safe conduct. It’s reckless, it’s dangerous and it’s unsafe. If someone is killed as a result of piling into the back of such a vehicle, expect Death by Dangerous driving charges to follow with a high probability of conviction.

I don’t see why dangerous driving charges can’t be brought in the absence of a death. Such conduct is clearly dangerous and it is reasonable to expect a sane person to perceive such driving as dangerous.

So no fantasy land imaginary law, just sensible application of existing law to protect the public from maniacs.

 

[flecc]

But vehicles can be confiscated and you said they could not. Careless / inconsiderate driving attracts points on the licence. Repeatedly offending WILL lead to the loss of the licence, so again, you were incorrect.

Nonsense.

Dave's link refers to impounding cars which is a temporary measure. Only the courts can confiscate following a conviction, and they will not do that with heavy commercial vehicles which are normally not owned by the driver.

Repeated offending can only lead to a loss of licence after convictions, again never happening with commercials for any alleged rolling obstruction.

I live in the real world, not your theoretical fantasy land.
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[oldgroaner]

They police could if they tried hard enough, instead of investigating old disk jockeys for allegedly grabbing someone’s paps 55 years ago.

They could keep pulling the lead lorries, one after another every 1/2 mile l and prosecuting the drivers. They might even make a dangerous driving charge stick and take the driver’s licence and means if making a living. That would make them this bit more clearly.

You are living in your macho John Wayne fantasy again, why not have the 7th Cavalry charge in as well?
How do the police busily booking drivers get past themselves to deal with a problem further down the road? use harrier jump jets?
Talk about not having a clue about life on the road.
If you want to block a motorway with lorries, all that is required is to slow and then speed up and keep repeating this procedure, the lag exaggerates the effect and pretty soon you have standing traffic that no sooner sets off, but finds itself braking to a halt again.
Even 10 to 15 mph difference at and below the speed limit will create chaos.


This explains the phenomenon
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7544692/Phantom-traffic-jams-explained.html

 

[Woosh]

Bojo must feel a bit rattled after 20 tory MPs signed Hammond's letter.

Boris Johnson: "Brexit opponents 'collaborating' with EU"

Boris Johnson: Brexit opponents 'collaborating' with EU

The PM says opposition to Brexit in Parliament means the EU is less likely to compromise on a deal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[50Hertz]

You are living in your macho John Wayne fantasy again, why not have the 7th Cavalry charge in as well?
How do the police busily booking drivers get past themselves to deal with a problem further down the road? use harrier jump jets?
Talk about not having a clue about life on the road.
If you want to block a motorway with lorries, all that is required is to slow and then speed up and keep repeating this procedure, the lag exaggerates the effect and pretty soon you have standing traffic that no sooner sets off, but finds itself braking to a halt again.
Even 10 to 15 mph difference at and below the speed limit will create chaos.


This explains the phenomenon
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7544692/Phantom-traffic-jams-explained.html

A cunning trick. Join the motorway ahead of the lorry. Pull it over, if it doing what you described, deliberately accelerating and slowing to cause sudden and random variations in motorway speed, arrest the driver for dangerous driving. That would be no problem at all and the charge would probably be successful in those circumstances. The lorry can be removed from the motorway and held in a compound there-by imposing and an additional penalty on the driver and / or the company owning the vehicle.

 

[Danidl]

When the police can seize your vehicle

The police can seize a vehicle if they think it’s being used in a way that causes alarm, harassment or distress, for example careless or inconsiderate driving. I would have thought Blocking the road is a perfect example of inconsiderate driving..

Being stopped by the police while driving

What happens if you're stopped by the police while driving - breath tests, motoring offences, faults with your vehicle, seizing your vehicle

www.gov.uk

Blocking the road is an offence in most jurisdictions. However proceeding in a measured and safe fashion ,even if it inconveniences others, is not. Now the British Act does include inconsiderate driving.. but even were it to include driving slowly,it would only affect the driver of the lead lorry,as all the others are acting perfectly legally. However ,my point related to France,and while I am not aware of a similar law there, slow moving convoys are a recognised protest method, so is almost certainly legal.
The French are no strangers to street and road protests and trade union support is very strong for this type of political action.
50 Hertz may sit and fume, but his tomatoes wont travel any faster from Spain

 

[Woosh]

Latest poll: remain leads 55/45

Remain Would Win 55-45 In Second Referendum, Poll Shows

A poll showed the vote would shift in favour of Remain in a second referendum on EU membership.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[daveboy]

Before the neverendum, leave were on 46%. (poll of polls)

EU referendum poll of polls - Financial Times

Polling data for the UK’s 2016 referendum on whether Britain should stay in or go out of Europe

ig.ft.com

 

[flecc]

A cunning trick. Join the motorway ahead of the lorry. Pull it over, if it doing what you described, deliberately accelerating and slowing to cause sudden and random variations in motorway speed, arrest the driver for dangerous driving. That would be no problem at all and the charge would probably be successful in those circumstances. The lorry can be removed from the motorway and held in a compound there-by imposing and an additional penalty on the driver and / or the company owning the vehicle.

More silly nonsense, no charge of dangerous driving could possibly succeed in those circumstances. As I've already informed you, dangerous driving is extremely difficult to prove to conviction standard. No CPS would ever allow the charge for what you describe, they only rarely allow it for cases where the driving probably was genuinely dangerous and conviction in their view likely to succeed. In part that is because a dangerous driving conviction entails a criminal record.

The separate offences of careless driving or inconsiderate driving are dealt with by the police issuing an on-the-spot fixed penalty ticket. If the driver accepts the ticket which almost all do, it remains a civil offence with no criminal record but three points on the driving licence.

It's clear that you belong to the "hang 'em, flog 'em, shoot 'em" brigade, but they'd lost all their influence by eighty years ago. Now the law protects against such abuse of process and the CPS and Courts take their duty to protect defendants against such abuse very seriously.
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[Wicky]

A cunning trick. Join the motorway ahead of the lorry. Pull it over, if it doing what you described, deliberately accelerating and slowing to cause sudden and random variations in motorway speed, arrest the driver for dangerous driving. That would be no problem at all and the charge would probably be successful in those circumstances. The lorry can be removed from the motorway and held in a compound there-by imposing and an additional penalty on the driver and / or the company owning the vehicle.

Probably enough police numbers which could be deployed to be effective with your prescribed measures, against a determined and in mass protest group (on either side of the Channel).

Over 20,000 bikers could grind two major motorways to a halt

Thousands of bikers have joined the Rolling Thunder protest in support "Soldier F" over Bloody Sunday charges

www.mirror.co.uk

Thousands of angry French bikers take up the streets

Once again, France has today been the scene of enormous demonstrations with thousands of motorcyclists gathering in every city across the nation and protesting at the newly proposed speed limit of …

ukfrancebikers.com

 

[oldgroaner]

A cunning trick. Join the motorway ahead of the lorry. Pull it over, if it doing what you described, deliberately accelerating and slowing to cause sudden and random variations in motorway speed, arrest the driver for dangerous driving. That would be no problem at all and the charge would probably be successful in those circumstances. The lorry can be removed from the motorway and held in a compound there-by imposing and an additional penalty on the driver and / or the company owning the vehicle.

Clearly you don't comprehend do you? there is no need to jam on the brakes, even quite gentle slowing and accelerating that would pass unnoticed will provide the wave effect.
please try to read and understand, not live in a fantasy world, and if someone further further back down the traffic queue does the same, in no time at all the traffic comes to a halt astern.
Who can you prosecute?
Imagine half a dozen doing this as the traffic slows, and then all you can see is miles of standing vehicles, no obvious culprits to arrest, and by the time the police arrive, it is happening somewhere else with some other blighter leading the dance.
You simply can't pick out the culprits in a ten or twenty mile long snarl up and the camera systems don't monitor subtle speed changes, especially when hundreds of vehicles are involved.

 

[oldgroaner]

Latest poll: remain leads 55/45

Remain Would Win 55-45 In Second Referendum, Poll Shows

A poll showed the vote would shift in favour of Remain in a second referendum on EU membership.

www.lbc.co.uk

What kind of democracy is only in the form of a once and forever decision? that was legally non binding?

 

[oldgroaner]

Now here is a novelty fro the "New European"
New UKIP leader claims Daily Mail is conspiring with the EU
The Daily Mail and the media in general is being ran by a 'federalist class' conspiring with the European Union, UKIP's new leader has claimed.
Despite a majority of newspapers taking a pro-Brexit stance, Richard Braine said that the press was controlled by a "traitor class" which is "conspiring with foreign powers" against Brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

New design for the final say referendum Ballot paper

Works for me

 

[Woosh]

What kind of democracy is only in the form of a once and forever decision? that was legally non binding?

brexit is not about democracy.
It's all about the conservative party.
Simple question really, where would brexit be if the conservatives lose power?

 

[oldgroaner]

The man who thinks he is Der Fuehrer speaks

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1161684780267855881

lets think about his message and ask some questions

1. Just how are the opponents of No Deal "collaborating" when they are not meeting with the EU?
2. What sort of defense is it of this policy of his to trust relying on the EU being more stupid than he is to get a deal?
3. How can he justify that he will go ahead with committing the country to a policy that he says he doesn't want when his bluff fails? is he a suicide bomber?
4. Why is the EU to blame if his policy fails to move them? and is there some strange new law that says everyone in parliament has no right to disagree with him?

 

[oyster]

New design for the final say referendum Ballot paper

Works for me

The second box should be overprinted with a transparent resist that will not take any of the usual markers like pencil and ink.

(In seriousness, of course any vote is only meaningful if those voting have a choice. This is a flippant comment, not serious.)

 

[oldgroaner]

The second box should be overprinted with a transparent resist that will not take any of the usual markers like pencil and ink.

(In seriousness, of course any vote is only meaningful if those voting have a choice. This is a flippant comment, not serious.)

So was mine of course, but what else is there to do?
perhaps a punched square hole at that position would work better?

 

[oldgroaner]

Latest Survation Poll

This poll will undermine the Liar King far worse in the eyes of the EU than any so called collaborators in the HOC
Only 19%? what sort of mandate is that for a macho ploy?
Sorry Leave Fans, but really, you have to laugh!
Boris is pathetic