Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

Interesting thread on the BXP
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1151861648124194816.html
The thread notes this.
what valid reason would the Brexit Party have to move their website to ASCENSION ISLAND an off shore Tax Haven with opaque law.
Can anyone confirm or deny this info?

2.20.70.65 - a2-20-70-65.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com - Germany - Akamai Technologies - IP address geolocation

2.20.70.65 or a2-20-70-65.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com is an IPv4 address owned by Akamai Technologies and located in Munich, Germany (see map)

db-ip.com

Looked around and seen it supposedly hosted somewhere depending on the tool between Manchester / Switzerland. Probably hosted on a cloud server somewhere using this company's network service https://www.akamai.com/uk/en/

Oddest things is the redirect to the bxp website if you visit

deutschecommerzbank.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

Methinks the man doth protesteth too mucheth.

Priceless.

Never change Gerald. (As if you could)

But seriously. Thank you.

I don't need to change, you do

 

[oldgroaner]

Three too many 0s for one million, you've shown 17 short of one billion.
.

Maybe he has changed his estimate?

 

[50Hertz]

As always seeking personal advantage unavailable to the less well off.
Tory through and through, and making excuses that the NHS can't be run properly.
If that is so, why should the the private sector be any better?

The private sector would run it better because they appoint people based on ability, they must do or else they go bankrupt.

The NHS and other public services recruit management based on gender, sexual orientation, religious background and skin tone. Ability is a long way down the list. That’s why the NHS waste obscene quantities of money by implementing policies dreamt up by idiots.

Then there is the BMA Mafia, as my A&E consultant nephew calls them. Consultants are allowed to work 50% of their shift from home and be available for “consultation” by more junior doctors. The junior doctors are under a very clear threat that if they bother the consultant at home, things will become very difficult for them and their careers. Try finding a consultant or even a doctor above grade S1 in a hospital during the evening or at any time over a weekend.

 

[OxygenJames]

As always seeking personal advantage unavailable to the less well off.

OG. Stop and think - for one moment - what you're saying there. Surely - everytime I spend money that I have - and others don't - I am seeking some sort of 'personal advantage'. You want to stop this?

Really?

You want to standardise all products? So there would be one kind of car - to make sure people with more money did not get an advantage by buying the higher spec'ed one? Standard laptop and phones for the same reason?

Madness. Utter madness.

 

[oyster]

The private sector would run it better because they appoint people based on ability, they must do or else they go bankrupt.

The litany of companies that have gone bankrupt, or at least been taken over or bailed out when on the brink, should make that the sort of statement no-one makes. All too often at least significantly due to poor management.

 

[oyster]

This time next week, it is highly likely that Boris Johnson will be Prime Minister of the UK – even after his prediction that nobody would ever "elect a prat who gets stuck on a zipwire".

One of our readers went on that same zipwire the day after that little photo opportunity. In the course of making small talk while she was being fastened into her harness, our reader made a passing joke to the two operators that she hoped she wouldn’t get stuck like Boris had – which caused the operators to roll their eyes.

They then explained that if Johnson really had got 'accidentally' stuck, then they would have had to shut the ride down immediately as it wouldn't have been safe. Confused, she asked why it had happened if it wasn't an accident, and they told her "because he asked us to do it".

She didn't get a chance to ask if it was Boris or someone from Boris's team who made the request before her descent – but she made it down the line without getting left to dangle. As did everybody else that day.

Boris the dangler?

 

[oldgroaner]

The private sector would run it better because they appoint people based on ability, they must do or else they go bankrupt.

The NHS and other public services recruit management based on gender, sexual orientation, religious background and skin tone. Ability is a long way down the list. That’s why the NHS waste obscene quantities of money by implementing policies dreamt up by idiots.

Then there is the BMA Mafia, as my A&E consultant nephew calls them. Consultants are allowed to work 50% of their shift from home and be available for “consultation” by more junior doctors. The junior doctors are under a very clear threat that if they bother the consultant at home, things will become very difficult for them and their careers. Try finding a consultant or even a doctor above grade S1 in a hospital during the evening or at any time over a weekend.

The problem with your argument is that the very same people you denigrated in the NHS are highly talented, and moonlight in the private sector as well.
All with an interest in running down the NHS to boost their private practice profits.

So where are you going to find the so wonderful Private sector champions of efficiency except from among the very people you complain about?

Are you going to pay to train a whole new generation of souls dedicated both to medicine and business efficiency unpolluted by this habit of playing the NHS for cash?

 

[oldgroaner]

OG. Stop and think - for one moment - what you're saying there. Surely - everytime I spend money that I have - and others don't - I am seeking some sort of 'personal advantage'. You want to stop this?

Really?

You want to standardise all products? So there would be one kind of car - to make sure people with more money did not get an advantage by buying the higher spec'ed one? Standard laptop and phones for the same reason?

Madness. Utter madness.

Not at all you are trying to ignore reality again
How many cars are now made that do not comply with imposed Environmental design restrictions?
None at all
How many cars will have Inernal Combustion engines in 50 years time?
None at all

What happened to you statement
"You want to standardise all products? So there would be one kind of car - to make sure people with more money did not get an advantage by buying the higher spec'ed one? "

it's just a load of balls isn't it?
You can have any kind of car you like so long as it's Electric. Will soon be a fact of life.

And in any case the sort of personal advantage I object to is where money buys you an avantage while it disadvantages others because they can't afford medical care that you can, and end up further down the queue because you bribed your way to the front.
That's why we need the NHS

 

[oyster]

You can have any kind of car you like so long as it's Electric. Will soon be a fact of life.

There are many arguments in favour of other options such as hydrogen - if the technology can reach maturity. Like not having to haul a heavy battery around.

 

[oldgroaner]

There are many arguments in favour of other options such as hydrogen - if the technology can reach maturity. Like not having to haul a heavy battery around.

Not a very likely contender as too much of a start gained by Electric vehicles backed by vested interests unfortunately.

 

[oldgroaner]

The BXP are into nonsense at the moment pretending to actually work at being MEPS

• 
  
  
  Euro Guido
  
  @EuroGuido

The only party currently bothering to turn up for EU debates...
@brexitparty_uk

Unfortunately they have given the game away in the photo

Louis Henwood #RevokeArticle50
@LouisHenwood
·
Jul 17

Replying to
@EuroGuido
and
@brexitparty_uk
The photo was taken at 4:05pm 5 minutes after the room emptied as it was a break time If you are going to lie about when the photo was taken, don't make your watch nice and prominent and at the forefront of the shot

No footage of them taking part in the debate, but it seems they are too lazy to get up to go to the loo?
No, just another Farage inspired propaganda stunt, in case people forget they are there.
After all they don't intend to do anything useful in our interest except to clutter up the seats and make rude noises.
Here is the order paper

 

[50Hertz]

The problem with your argument is that the very same people you denigrated in the NHS are highly talented, and moonlight in the private sector as well.
All with an interest in running down the NHS to boost their private practice profits.

So where are you going to find the so wonderful Private sector champions of efficiency except from among the very people you complain about?

Are you going to pay to train a whole new generation of souls dedicated both to medicine and business efficiency unpolluted by this habit of playing the NHS for cash?

The BMA Mafia is the first step towards sorting it out. The whole Dr working practice needs bringing into line with other industries. You need good management to do that.

Doctors also need “bonding” to the NHS to stop them from training at great public expense and then to FO to line their pockets from private work, during NHS time. Bonding has been used with pilot’s training in the airline industry for many years and it works well.

 

[oldgroaner]

The BMA Mafia is the first step towards sorting it out. The whole Dr working practice needs bringing into line with other industries. You need good management to do that.

Doctors also need “bonding” to the NHS to stop them from training at great public expense and then to FO to line their pockets from private work, during NHS time. Bonding has been used with pilot’s training in the airline industry for many years and it works well.

very good points!
(even though it urinates on the principle of "Free Enterprise" as far as the Doctors are concerned)

 

[Wicky]

 

[OxygenJames]

I object to is where money buys you an avantage while it disadvantages others because they can't afford medical care that you can, and end up further down the queue because you bribed your way to the front.
That's why we need the NHS

You did not read my original post very well. I made it clear that they'd need some sort of algorithm-directed logistics management - to ensure resources were used optimally - to make sure waiting times for other people did not suffer.

 

[oldgroaner]

You did not read my original post very well. I made it clear that they'd need some sort of algorithm-directed logistics management - to ensure resources were used optimally - to make sure waiting times for other people did not suffer.

You said no such thing! this is your original post
"What an excellent idea. So many people would be willing to pay extra for that (me for one). Get the algorithm right (to balance out resource implications) and this could inject a whole new revenue stream for the NHS. "

Patients are not a resource
They are a consumer of resources

You have now added this caveat
"to ensure resources were used optimally - to make sure waiting times for other people did not suffer."

I can agree, with that qualification added

 

[OxygenJames]

You said no such thing! this is your original post
"What an excellent idea. So many people would be willing to pay extra for that (me for one). Get the algorithm right (to balance out resource implications) and this could inject a whole new revenue stream for the NHS. "

Patients are not a resource
They are a consumer of resources

You have now added this caveat
"to ensure resources were used optimally - to make sure waiting times for other people did not suffer."

I can agree, with that qualification added

You really are a dick sometimes.

If you can't see what I meant by them needing to get the algorithm right in my first post then I can't help you.

 

[Woosh]

what is needed in the NHS is much less waiting time.
Standard of care in the NHS is adequate, those who want better accommodation and meals can always go private.
Personally, I would rather wait 6 months and have my operation done in an NHS hospital. Unfortunately, 4-5 millions patients are in the queue so people have to wait 2-3 times longer than before 2008 when Labour run the NHS.
BJ and JH compete with one another to cut taxes, what is the logic in that?

 

[Zlatan]

You really are a dick sometimes.

If you can't see what I meant by them needing to get the algorithm right in my first post then I can't help you.

Sometimes??