Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

BTW, the current odds are:
Johnson: 1/6
Hunt: 12/1
Stewart: 16/1
Gove: 20/1
Javid: 33/1
Raab: 50/1

I expect only Johnson Hunt and Stewart will make it to the third round, Raab, Javid and Gove will drop out next week.
The Pound dropped to below 1.25 USD, nearly lowest since the referendum. That shows how much confidence foreigners with money have in Johnson compared to TM.

 

[Danidl]

so basically the thinking is that the uk cannot leave the eu without still being dictated to by the eu, because ireland wants to be in the eu. if ireland left there would not be a problem. So we could use the counter argument that you can't stay in because we want to leave

You could make that argument,but the but the point you are missing is its the bit still in the UK which gets hit worst..The report was commissioned by the Northern Ireland Office and Northern Ireland Civil Service. So no, its not us its you,and those citizens of yours residing in the North. The effect could be either a significantly greater subvention by the UK Parliament to NI, indefinitely, or their desire to align themselves with the. South

 

[Danidl]

Burglary is pretty difficult . Murderers get life already and extortion would get you a hefty sentence. so your post was pointless.

So burglary is the only crime.? Directing Murder while in Jail is a punishment free activity. Now your knowledge of the depravity to which some people will go to is simplistic... The spouses of minor criminals, can be forced into crime because of threats to their incarcerated loved ones.. Grow up!.

 

[daveboy]

So burglary is the only crime.? Directing Murder while in Jail is a punishment free activity. Now your knowledge of the depravity to which some people will go to is simplistic... The spouses of minor criminals, can be forced into crime because of threats to their incarcerated loved ones.. Grow up!.

I was stating it's hard to commit burglary when you are in prison you cockwomble.

 

[oldgroaner]

I was stating it's hard to commit burglary when you are in prison you cockwomble.View attachment 30873

I love your self portrait! commendable effort
You clearly never realised that Mr Bridger in the Italian job was nearer reality than fiction.
What safer place for a villain to organise crime than when in jail?
You don't think the big time villains are inconvenienced by prison do you? it saves them the cost of office premises.
The only better way to run a crime empire is being an MP

 

[Fingers]

I love your self portrait! commendable effort
You clearly never realised that Mr Bridger in the Italian job was nearer reality than fiction.
What safer place for a villain to organise crime than when in jail?
You don't think the big time villains are inconvenienced by prison do you? it saves them the cost of office premises.
The only better way to run a crime empire is being an MP

There are no words to express how stupid that post is.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

If you don't compare leaving what is in effect a trading bloc with nuclear Armageddon then I won't have to point out your nonsense.

This feeble attempt to change the subject doesnt wash. Its about boris - wheter he could accidentally unleash armageddon. He most certainly could. Given his thoughtless opportunitic idiotic acting out before. Much like you, he is bereft of any real insight or self awareness.

 

[Danidl]

There are no words to express how stupid that post is.

Well you used 11. ,And failed to express anything

 

[oldgroaner]

This playground bullying is pathetic

Boris Johnson has claimed he can force the EU to deliver a fresh Brexit deal because it is terrified by the “existential threat” of Nigel Farage, as he finally agreed to a major interview.
The clear favourite for No 10 said the solution was “obvious” – to strip the Irish backstop out of the divorce agreement – and that Brussels would fold, despite its repeated refusal to do so.

Lets see now : previously Farage fielded 25 MEP's,now 29, in a Parliament of 751???
The man is a nuisance and not even accepted among the current right wing grouping of MEP's who rejected him!

And what will you do Boris when the EU tells him to "go whistle "about both renegotiating the deal and stripping out the Irish backstop?

 

[oldgroaner]

There are no words to express how stupid that post is.

You can't talk about Daveboys post so contemptuously!

 

[daveboy]

You can't talk about Daveboys post so contemptuously!

He wasn't......did you think porridge was real.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well you used 11. ,And failed to express anything

Be fair, his post does score on Brevity,and there may be a finite limit to the words his programming can string together, after all, had he used more, there is no guarantee they would make sense either.

 

[50Hertz]

Yes you can commit crimes while in prison. Half the US film output shows how it is done..and that includes murder and extortion.

You are getting far too complicated again. If the prisoner is isolated and confined to a whitewashed cell measuring 2m x 2m and remains there 24 hours per day, they can’t commit crime.

 

[oldgroaner]

He wasn't......did you think porridge was real.

I think you have no idea jut what reality is, for instance
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/how-gangs-took-over-prisons/379330/
That was America.
And in Dublin
Gangs controlling crime outside
And the UK
Drugs, violence and carrying out "Deals outside"

Now tell me ,how if you are in the media ,you don't know about this?
There, sanity I hope partially restored? sorry daveboy!

 

[oldgroaner]

He wasn't......did you think porridge was real.

Did I use words you didn't understand?
read the post again I was alluding to the way crimes are being committed along the same lines.
There rude bit deleted! (more or less)

 

[50Hertz]

So burglary is the only crime.? Directing Murder while in Jail is a punishment free activity. Now your knowledge of the depravity to which some people will go to is simplistic... The spouses of minor criminals, can be forced into crime because of threats to their incarcerated loved ones.. Grow up!.

But all of this is only possible because the prisons are too relaxed. Solitary confinement in small cells 24 hours / day would wipe out extortion, threats, coercion etc in an instant.

Visits, coming out of the cell & association time is too complicated and risky for the reason you have identified. The solution is to cut it out. 24 hour solitary lock up is very effective.

 

[daveboy]

I think you have no idea jut what reality is, for instance
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/how-gangs-took-over-prisons/379330/
That was America.
And in Dublin
Gangs controlling crime outside
And the UK
Drugs, violence and carrying out "Deals outside"

Now tell me ,how if you are in the media ,you don't know about this?

You have done it again ...quoted my post then answered somebody else. You do get a bit excited Don't you. No I'm not in the media, I'm a retired coal mining engineer.

 

[50Hertz]

I think you have no idea jut what reality is, for instance
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/how-gangs-took-over-prisons/379330/
That was America.
And in Dublin
Gangs controlling crime outside
And the UK
Drugs, violence and carrying out "Deals outside"



Now tell me ,how if you are in the media ,you don't know about this?

You’ve caught overcomplicationitis off Dannidl. Just lock ‘em up 24/7 in solitary with no visits = no drugs = no mobile phones = no crime on the outside. Job done.

 

[Wicky]

A cell can be 2m x 2m occupying a footprint of 4 square metres. Stack the cells on top of each other...

...like a sheet of paper denying prisoners a 3rd dimension?

Flatland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dread to think how you'd achieve this utopia of yours

 

[oldgroaner]

You have done it again ...quoted my post then answered somebody else. You do get a bit excited Don't you. No I'm not in the media, I'm a retired coal mining engineer.

I've done it again haven't I? I plead insanity . I must stop using the phone to make responses!
I've had a day of things going wrong, The washer suddenly decided it would be a great idea after drying a full wash to quarter fill the drum with cold water, and the car suddenly decided to warn me that all four tyres were going down at the same time!
Sorry about that I'll try to sort it out.
A retired coal mining engineer my goodness, not a job I would have cared to do, well done indeed!
Have you managed to come out at the end still sound in wind and limb?