Brexit, for once some facts.

[vfr400]

How much then?

Tommy Robinson and UKIP recruit Polish Nazis as personal security

And for some reason you hold him in high regard!?!?

Anybody that Antifa has labelled a Nazi is a good guy. They're the only Nazis we have in this country. They dress up in black, cover their faces in masks, then try to disrupt anybody that says anything that they don't agree with. Here they attacked a group of peaceful demonstrators with sticks and pepper spray, while shouting, "No hate". If it looks like a Nazi, sounds like a Nazi and acts like a Nazi, it's a Nazi.

This just about sums it up.
"If black-clad neo-Nazis had attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Racism in America” march in Berkeley, politicians in Washington would be falling over themselves to express their disgust — and any who failed to do so would be vilified. But when neo-communists commit this kind of violence, they get a pass from the left. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.aab096c0058b

 

[Zlatan]

And if some accusations are untruths, well, live by the fraud, die (at least politically) by the fraud.

Thats why we have coursts VFR. TR has been found guilty of various crimes, sentenced and served time I believe 3 times. Hardly a recommendation and chances of a jury getting it so wrong on 3 occasions are rather slim.
I agree media cant be believed but my faith in justice system is rather higher.
Yes, people can change and a prison sentence shouldnt automatically stop any career but I certainly wont be voting, supporting TR in any way.

 

[wheeler]

But I was right about lamp posts being the best way to get charging docks onto streets.

No, you weren't. You're not often right but you're wrong again.

 

[vfr400]

Give it up VFR. You, ve made your point. Yes, perhaps TR isnt as bad as made out but even if he isnt quite so bad, why support, promote him.
His history is perfectly enough to prevent him ever gaining mainstream support. Farage is trying to distance himself from TR, I suggest you take a step back and do same.

He represents free speech and he's an example of how a guy gets treated just because he has some uncomfortable opinions and isn't frightened to say what he thinks. I believe in free speech too. I don't believe in any of these ridiculous left wing agendas that shut down free speech and make out that every minority group are victims of oppression. The politicians are now completely out of touch with what normal working people think and want. That's what Brexit is all about now. TR is much more in tune with working class families than any labour party politician. That's why he's so popular. If you go to any of his rallies or shows, you'll see that he's treated like a pop star. Everybody wants to come out and shake his hand or have a selfie with him. If it weren't for guys like him, we'd all be worse off.

 

[flecc]

I listen to radio 4 nearly all the time.

Then I don't know why you said those Muslim patrols were covered up when I learnt of them a while ago through a Radio 4 item.

It seems to me you spend more time looking for conspiracy than actually following the news. Of course the media isn't perfect, nothing is, but if you think "Tommy Robinson" and his ilk are better sources, you are very sadly misguided.

Of course our governance is to some extent corrupt, they all are worldwide since that is human nature. A characteristic obviously shared by your "Tommy Robinson" and co.
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[vfr400]

Thats why we have coursts VFR. TR has been found guilty of various crimes, sentenced and served time I believe 3 times. Hardly a recommendation and chances of a jury getting it so wrong on 3 occasions are rather slim.
I agree media cant be believed but my faith in justice system is rather higher.
Yes, people can change and a prison sentence shouldnt automatically stop any career but I certainly wont be voting, supporting TR in any way.

Remember that last time he was in jail, 30,000 angry people turned up to protest at Downing Street and 100,000 signed a petition. That's an awful lot of people that thought he was unjustly put in jail. Can you think of any other instances of when there was such a protest to get someone out of jail?

 

[flecc]

TR is much more in tune with working class families than any labour party politician. That's why he's so popular.

Don't you ever analyse your own beliefs?

Since we've had a number of Labour governments and most Labour politicians came from the working classes, it means things should have been to your liking long ago.

Of course that hasn't happened, and if you got "TR" and his like in power it still wouldn't happen, since they are no different in not understanding how difficult government really is.
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[Zlatan]

He represents free speech and he's an example of how a guy gets treated just because he has some uncomfortable opinions and isn't frightened to say what he thinks. I believe in free speech too. I don't believe in any of these ridiculous left wing agendas that shut down free speech and make out that every minority group are victims of oppression. The politicians are now completely out of touch with what normal working people think and want. That's what Brexit is all about now. TR is much more in tune with working class families than any labour party politician. That's why he's so popular. If you go to any of his rallies or shows, you'll see that he's treated like a pop star. Everybody wants to come out and shake his hand or have a selfie with him. If it weren't for guys like him, we'd all be worse off.

No, he does not represent free speech, he is a perfect example of our countries allowance of it.

 

[Zlatan]

Remember that last time he was in jail, 30,000 people turned up to protest at Downing Street and 100,000 signed a petition. That's an awful lot of people that thought he was unjustly put in jail. Can you think of any other instances of when there was such a protest to get someone out of jail?

Are you saying he was innocent? Perhaps we should scrap our justice system and simply hold trial on facebook, Twitter. Just hold a vote to prove innocence.
I believe he has served 3 gaol terms.

All The Charges On Tommy Robinson’s Rap Sheet

Listen to the wrong people and you would be led to believe that Tommy Robinson is a free speech warrior and a political prisoner, who’s only crime is exposing establishment lies. The truth, however, is completely different. Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, has committed multiple...

www.the-round.co.uk

?????

 

[oldgroaner]

I listen to radio 4 nearly all the time. I know I'm right about the media. There's a lot of twisting of facts. They choose what they show to suit their agendas. If something doesn't fit, they don't show it. Even my own dealings with a TV channel was a perfect example of how they completely faked the results to suit their agenda. What they showed on the TV was a million miles from the actual facts. That was a prima facie example that caused me to become suspicious about the rest.

Look at Sargon of Akkad. Instead of "look, here's a new face in politics. Lets see what his views and policies are", 100% of the mainstream media introduced him as the Youtuber that made a rape tweet to Jess Phillips as a headline. Why would they do that? He's a perfectly normal sensible guy with some interesting and different views to most of the mainstream politicians, but we never got a chance to find out about that.

Look at Panodrama. That's the BBC for Christ's sake.
Look at Avi Yemeni and what happened to him with cut and shut interview to take an answer from one question and show it as an answer to a different one to make him look bad. Why would they do that?

Off topic nonsense

 

[oldgroaner]

Remember that last time he was in jail, 30,000 angry people turned up to protest at Downing Street and 100,000 signed a petition. That's an awful lot of people that thought he was unjustly put in jail. Can you think of any other instances of when there was such a protest to get someone out of jail?

Off topic nonsense

 

[vfr400]

Off topic nonsense

Another thing, look at the Trustpilot ratings for the mainstream news channels. here they are with typical comments from the first page of each:

BBC 1 star
Not journalism
Not journalism, just mouthpieces for the government. This is supposed to be unbiased, far from it.

CNN 1 star
Fake news
Fake news. Fake news Fake news.

ITV 1 star
itv news is obviously biased toward the…
itv news is obviously biased toward the left and therefore cannot be trusted to report the truth

Channel 4 1 star
Biased and ideologically driven programming
Biased, unproductive, inflammatory, narrow- minded, ideologically driven programming. Dishonest, subversive and unreliable propagandist news source. Highly questionable reporting of news, lacking integrity, citations and context, in order to make good people appear bad to discredit them; a common practice among almost all mainstream media outlets.

Not to be trusted to produce honest reliable unbiased content of any form.

Channel 4 1 star
Disgusting biased news channel why does…
Disgusting biased news channel why does anyone bother watching lies and biased news waste of space ,wish I could have given no stars as that's what you deserve .


None of those reviews are from me, though I would have written the same.

 

[vfr400]

Are you saying he was innocent? Perhaps we should scrap our justice system and simply hold trial on facebook, Twitter. Just hold a vote to prove innocence.
I believe he has served 3 gaol terms.

All The Charges On Tommy Robinson’s Rap Sheet

Listen to the wrong people and you would be led to believe that Tommy Robinson is a free speech warrior and a political prisoner, who’s only crime is exposing establishment lies. The truth, however, is completely different. Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, has committed multiple...

www.the-round.co.uk

?????

All because he spoke out except the first one. You have to understand that he came from a rough working class background, where he was very influenced by the people around him. If you had been born in the same street at the same time, you may well have followed the same route.

The one where he was charged with assault of a police officer was when he lunged across to get an ISIS flag of a guy who was protesting at a poppy parade. he only touched the policeman as he got the flag. After review of the video, which clearly showed what happened, charges were dropped. See it here and judge for yourself. I think he was a hero. I say again, they're ISIS flags with a police escort. Why aren't they escorting them to jail?

Charged for standing on a roof protesting that the England squad were not allowed to wear poppies. If I had known, I'd have been up there with him. What about you?

None of the of the other charges would have happened if he hadn't been the leader of the EDL.
Here's the mortgage fraud from TR's side

 

[Zlatan]

All because he spoke out except the first one. You have to understand that he came from a rough working class background, where he was very influenced by the people around him. If you had been born in the same street at the same time, you may well have followed the same route.

The one where he was charged with assault of a police officer was when he lunged across to get an ISIS flag of a guy who was protesting at a poppy parade. he only touched the policeman as he got the flag. After review of the video, which clearly showed what happened, charges were dropped. See it here and judge for yourself. I think he was a hero. I say again, they're ISIS flags with a police escort. Why aren't they escorting them to jail?

Charged for standing on a roof protesting that the England squad were not allowed to wear poppies. If I had known, I'd have been up there with him. What about you?

None of the of the other charges would have happened if he hadn't been the leader of the EDL.

What about the police man he head butted who tried to stop him hitting his girlfriend???
Do you really believe folk get sent to prison under circumstances you describe.
As for being brought up amongst wrong crowd. That as never been either an excuse or justification. Millions of folk throughout world grow up witnessing violence. Fortunately not many turn to football hooliganism, rioting and brawling.
You can buy into all his spin. I, m not buying it. He, s a sham,its a con.

 

[vfr400]

Another pro-Brexit party has sprung up. Not much media coverage of them, except a few attempts to smear them. Any supporters here? Morrisey seems to like them.

Morrissey speaks out in support of Tommy Robinson: 'The treatment of him has been shocking

The former Smiths frontman also gave support to a right-wing political party called For Britain

www.independent.co.uk

 

[gray198]

Breaking News...…..Euro Elections to go ahead on the 23rd of May, Government
confirms...….Interesting times.

I wonder what will happen if we return a much larger contingent of Brexit supporting MEP's, which looks a possibility. Will the EU kick us out asap so their cosy little cabal is not disrupted

 

[oldgroaner]

Tommy Robinson is standing for MEP on a manifesto of getting UK out of Europe, i.e. he's a Brexit politician. He's extremely popular and there's a fair chance that he'll win his seat. I've met many politicians. I took an immediate dislike to all of them as soon as they opened their mouths and started spouting their spineless crap. When I met TR, I found an honest person that speaks the truth. That's why I started following him. It makes him a very dangerous person as far as the dishonest establishment politicians and press are concerned. That's why they try to discredit him.

They don't need to discredit him, he's a DIY expert at doing that

 

[oldgroaner]

Another pro-Brexit party has sprung up. Not much media coverage of them, except a few attempts to smear them. Any supporters here? Morrisey seems to like them.

Morrissey speaks out in support of Tommy Robinson: 'The treatment of him has been shocking

The former Smiths frontman also gave support to a right-wing political party called For Britain

www.independent.co.uk

Why should they get media coverage? you get more on here pushing nonsense.

 

[oldgroaner]

Tommy Robinson for MEP. At last your chance to vote an honest one in. Do your research. Find out the truth. If you live in the NE, go and talk to him when he comes to your town, even if you hate him. Go and discuss with him why you think you don't like him. Don't believe the mainstream media. Just look at that Panodrama video above to see what's really going on. Everything you read and see about Brexit in the media is fake. The more you look, the more you'll find. Don't take my word for it.

Despite TR being hidden from every social media platform and slated in every mainstream media, the odds on TR winning his seat are presently 11/5, if you fancy a bet. The odds are shortening every day. I think the bookies know something.

Tommy Robinson getting elected (and even standing) as an MEP will do more to deliver Brexit than any other single event or action.

Your free Unicorn is in the post

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder what will happen if we return a much larger contingent of Brexit supporting MEP's, which looks a possibility. Will the EU kick us out asap so their cosy little cabal is not disrupted

They probably won't worry if they have the same attendance record as Farage