Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Someone is responsible, and that responsibility needs to be identified and called to account.

Boris Johnson and Michael Gove under fire on Vote Leave’s law-breaking
Conservative grandees asked to account for their role in the Brexit campaign, after group drops its appeal against fine
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/30/gove-johnson-under-fire-vote-leave-fine-appeal-dropped

 

[oldgroaner]

The Mogg gets Mugged

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1111406219602726912

 

[gray198]

it will not be the first time that the tories lose power because of the EU.
As for JC going to the extreme when he has power, you don't have to worry. If he signs up for customs union and single market, he'll be tied up with so many strings by EU treaties and directives that he won't even be able to freeze the price of electricity.

doesn't that sort of prove the point that we are not able to govern ourselves and have to rely on eu directives and red tape. Corbyn has fought against the eu all his political life and now he is quite happy to be subservient to them of it means he can get in No 10. So much for his principles. How can we as a country succumb to being a colony of europe. We are selling ourselves down the river, just by allowing them such power over us. Goodness only knows what they have in store for the future. I hope the MP's cannot get any consensus so there is no deal to go back with and that if there is TM refuses to negotiate it. She'll have to send Letwin

 

[50Hertz]

Which he did by giving it to the Banks, to bail them out, but remember the Tory party was just as keen on Deregulation too, and look where it got us.

As far as pension were concerned, he gave businesses a pensions holiday, allowing them to not fulfill their employers continuation obligations. This created underinvestment in the schemes. Workers & ex workers are still suffering the effects today. Labour, the part for the working man / woman. Except it’s anything but.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

A smile is permissible and kudos to the BBC lighting Dept

ITMA rides again 'eh flecc?

Doesnt the tash half suit!

 

[Fingers]

Doesnt the tash half suit!

What are you babbling about now?

Doesn't even make sense. I suspect a lie.

 

[flecc]

As far as pension were concerned, he gave businesses a pensions holiday, allowing them to not fulfill their employers continuation obligations. This created underinvestment in the schemes. Workers & ex workers are still suffering the effects today. Labour, the part for the working man / woman. Except it’s anything but.

But once again, Blair's New Labour party was not Labour.

Keir Hardy's Labour party was a socialist one, Blairs was not. It was Tory by another name, hence the swindling of the working people you complain of.
.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

But once again, Blair's New Labour party was not Labour.

Keir Hardy's Labour party was a socialist one, Blairs was not. It was Tory by another name, hence the swindling of the working people you complain of.
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I agree. But you know what they say about the best intentions. For some reason two vintage movies always come to mind when i think of corbyn, brazil and a clockwork orange, both being about social engineering going seriously awry

 

[jonathan.agnew]

What are you babbling about now?

Doesn't even make sense. I suspect a lie.

Tell the nurse to titrate the olanzapine. A lot.

 

[Kudoscycles]

May is stuck....she can’t call an election,most Tories don’t want that and Labour is ahead in the polls.....she can’t let no deal happen,civil servants will tell her that we are not ready,it will be chaos......she can’t put up her deal again without change,The speaker will stop that....she can’t try for a second referendum,the ERG and Leavers will riot and the timescale is too long....I think she will try to attach Customs Union to her deal,the ERG will throw their toys but she did say that nobody would get everything they wanted,she could say that we are still brexiting and pass the problem of how to integrate the CU to the next PM,there is a majority for her deal plus the CU in parliament. What do others think?
KudosDave
Ps. If she agrees to stay in the CU am I correct that the backstop will not be required?

 

[Fingers]

Tell the nurse to titrate the olanzapine. A lot.

You are mental

 

[Wicky]

From small nuts did this Brexit nonsense begin...

Good news this weekend as JRM on LBC going by comments his name his dirt (end of Mussolini seemed the consistent theme) to true hardcore Brexit believers for compromising and voting for May's half a loaf - Expect same for BJ - and local Tory's deselecting Dominic Grieve - Tory infighting not a pretty sight over the weekend. Roll on next week for more carnage.

 

[Wicky]

Think you could be right but this mess is a consequence of weak majority, MPs not following either PM's wishes or manifesto. That will be same who ever gets in next time. Problem will be reading next manifesto from both Labour and Tory will be pointless.

Maybe if Labour stood for revoke - they'll lose some and win some... the whole condundrum of what different Political parties go for is a gamble as IMHO a lot of electorate has either taken their sides or just turned off by the whole process. As a cricketer the notion of brexit turning into draw with no obvious winner after a long drawn out game is nothing new - 3 years or 4 days - hence 3 –5 Test series to sort out who's top dog - with weather being the obvious scapegoat if even after all that i there's no obvious winner.

For referendums on anything in the future hopfully they won't be on a simple majority - so would brexit referendum be run like last time or needing 2/3rds. Or following on law.

 

[oldgroaner]

What are you babbling about now?

Doesn't even make sense. I suspect a lie.

Thick as mince

 

[Woosh]

May is stuck....she can’t call an election,most Tories don’t want that and Labour is ahead in the polls.....she can’t let no deal happen,civil servants will tell her that we are not ready,it will be chaos......she can’t put up her deal again without change,The speaker will stop that....she can’t try for a second referendum,the ERG and Leavers will riot and the timescale is too long....I think she will try to attach Customs Union to her deal,the ERG will throw their toys but she did say that nobody would get everything they wanted,she could say that we are still brexiting and pass the problem of how to integrate the CU to the next PM,there is a majority for her deal plus the CU in parliament. What do others think?
KudosDave
Ps. If she agrees to stay in the CU am I correct that the backstop will not be required?

I think brexit may have to be abandoned. Too costly while the UK constantly needs foreign money. Either staying member of the EU with 30% rebate and Japanese car plants or becoming Singapore of the West. There seems to be little choice in between.
I have always liked the UK to join EFTA and be like Norway but we have too many people relying on welfare support, so Singapore of the West is not possible at present.
May will force parliament to choose between no deal chaos and revoking A50. Given that only 160 MPs voted for no deal, revoking A50 is the more likely outcome.

 

[oldgroaner]

doesn't that sort of prove the point that we are not able to govern ourselves and have to rely on eu directives and red tape. Corbyn has fought against the eu all his political life and now he is quite happy to be subservient to them of it means he can get in No 10. So much for his principles. How can we as a country succumb to being a colony of europe. We are selling ourselves down the river, just by allowing them such power over us. Goodness only knows what they have in store for the future. I hope the MP's cannot get any consensus so there is no deal to go back with and that if there is TM refuses to negotiate it. She'll have to send Letwin

Colony of the EU? such power over us?
Where do you get such Rot? it was far more the other way about!
We Parasited on the EU without behaving as real member state for over forty years, and you come out with that crap?

 

[oldgroaner]

I think brexit may have to be abandoned. Too costly while the UK constantly needs foreign money. Either staying member of the EU with 30% rebate and Japanese car plants or becoming Singapore of the West. There seems to be little choice in between.
I have always liked the UK to join EFTA and be like Norway but we have too many people relying on welfare support, so Singapore of the West is not possible at present.
May will force parliament to choose between no deal chaos and revoking A50. Given that only 160 MPs voted for no deal, revoking A50 is the more likely outcome.

Singapore of the West will not be practical EVER

 

[Fingers]

Maybe if Labour stood for revoke - they'll lose some and win some... the whole condundrum of what different Political parties go for is a gamble as IMHO a lot of electorate has either taken their sides or just turned off by the whole process. As a cricketer the notion of brexit turning into draw with no obvious winner after a long drawn out game is nothing new - 3 years or 4 days - hence 3 –5 Test series to sort out who's top dog - with weather being the obvious scapegoat if even after all that i there's no obvious winner.

For referendums on anything in the future hopfully they won't be on a simple majority - so would brexit referendum be run like last time or needing 2/3rds. Or following on law.

I'm a cricketer too and this is a terrible analogy. It really is.

Anyway. Happy mothering Sunday y'all

 

[oyster]

May is stuck....she can’t call an election,most Tories don’t want that and Labour is ahead in the polls.....she can’t let no deal happen,civil servants will tell her that we are not ready,it will be chaos......she can’t put up her deal again without change,The speaker will stop that....she can’t try for a second referendum,the ERG and Leavers will riot and the timescale is too long....I think she will try to attach Customs Union to her deal,the ERG will throw their toys but she did say that nobody would get everything they wanted,she could say that we are still brexiting and pass the problem of how to integrate the CU to the next PM,there is a majority for her deal plus the CU in parliament. What do others think?
KudosDave
Ps. If she agrees to stay in the CU am I correct that the backstop will not be required?

Nothing to stop her just walking away... into the sunset?

 

[oldgroaner]

Here you are if you like a "Flutter"on the Nags
Correction Old Nags