Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Again …..this is from the government web site,

The measures formally adopted by the EU today, together with the UK’s decision to grant equivalent rights, means that UK hauliers and coach operators will have continued access to the EU after 29 March 2019 whatever the outcome.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/continued-eu-access-for-uk-airlines-hauliers-and-bus-and-coach-operators-agreed?utm_source=2e29ba08-f5cc-4965-b218-5a78ae84353c&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate&fbclid=IwAR3xQhPPWXc_NLbp3eb44nJXDYzbKjH4DLt5U1O4I
Hooray!
 

oyster

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Again …..this is from the government web site,

The measures formally adopted by the EU today, together with the UK’s decision to grant equivalent rights, means that UK hauliers and coach operators will have continued access to the EU after 29 March 2019 whatever the outcome.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/continued-eu-access-for-uk-airlines-hauliers-and-bus-and-coach-operators-agreed?utm_source=2e29ba08-f5cc-4965-b218-5a78ae84353c&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate&fbclid=IwAR3xQhPPWXc_NLbp3eb44nJXDYzbKjH4DLt5U1O4I
Continued access doesn't mean no issues.

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Indeed, read the link and you find this:

The UK has already announced that it will grant equivalent access to the UK for EU airlines, hauliers and passenger transport operators. This will ensure vital supply chains and connections are maintained.

Roads Minister Jesse Norman said:

The government believes that the best outcome is for the UK to leave the EU with a deal, but we will continue to progress sensible contingency plans.

The measures formally adopted by the EU today, together with the UK’s decision to grant equivalent rights, means that UK hauliers and coach operators will have continued access to the EU after 29 March 2019 whatever the outcome.
That is, the government has decided to grant access but has not yet done so.
 
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50Hertz

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At this point in time in the interest of fair play, can one of the leave supporters on here offer some insight into the advantages that Brexit will bring to us?
Why are we going there?
What's in it for us, the voters? and the young, the old, children and the fit and infirm among the population?
And which party will guide the country in the right direction competently and efficiently?
Just as important, does anyone who still wants leave the EU believe that our leaders are capable of negotiating trade arrangements with other nations?

You have hard evidence of their capabilities, not scaremongering, not predictions, but hard tangible evidence of their ability and performance. How can you believe that they will perform any better outside the EU? This is from a Leaver turned Remainer, influenced to no small extent by witnessing our politicians appalling inadequacies.
 

oyster

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So we have gone from all starving to death or at least getting scurvy and not being able to
fly our planes to their may be issues...………..I'll take that.
I just edited my reply. The UK government has not taken the required actions themselves. So prepare for scurvy...
 

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does that just show that we are but a colony of the EU with no say over our own affairs. Or is it just that we have spineless politicians
Both. If Brexit was to be a success we should have adopted a cross party consensus of what form Brexit should take,that would have probably been a soft Brexit. That process should have started on June 24,2016 and we should not have triggered Art 50 until we had a plan that had already been agreed by parliament.
We then put that plan to the EU for them to approve/amend.
But our negotiators had no plan,they were lazy and took the EU’s plan which obviously was slanted towards EU preferences,it was never May’s plan....if we continue the same way the trade deal we get out of the EU will also be preferential to the EU.
Scrap brexit until we have a plan that is acceptable to parliament and also takes account of the 16 million who voted against Brexit.
KudosDave
 

oldgroaner

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So we have gone from all starving to death or at least getting scurvy and not being able to
fly our planes to their may be issues...………..I'll take that.
Why, when you were promised so very much more?
You must be very easily pleased with a few thrown crumbs, rather like a starving sparrow.
And how about answering the question , what's in it for the rest of us?
You have your little wet dream of sovereignty, where are our Unicorns , blue skies better pay and jobs, and better times we were promised?
 

Zlatan

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Both. If Brexit was to be a success we should have adopted a cross party consensus of what form Brexit should take,that would have probably been a soft Brexit. That process should have started on June 24,2016 and we should not have triggered Art 50 until we had a plan that had already been agreed by parliament.
We then put that plan to the EU for them to approve/amend.
But our negotiators had no plan,they were lazy and took the EU’s plan which obviously was slanted towards EU preferences,it was never May’s plan....if we continue the same way the trade deal we get out of the EU will also be preferential to the EU.
Scrap brexit until we have a plan that is acceptable to parliament and also takes account of the 16 million who voted against Brexit.
KudosDave
I, m afraid taking into account the chaos in Westminster, fact we could even end up with Corbyn and Abott actually running things, fact May is probably doomed and her successor will be king without a kingdom (tories completely split and only in power because of Corbyn) your suggestion is probably best... But still dont think it will happen.
May will not back down, she, ll lose vote on 10th...Guess what then...
Train heading for broken rail, nobody on brakes.
 
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oldgroaner

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oldgroaner

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I, m afraid taking into account the chaos in Westminster, fact we could even end up with Corbyn and Abott actually running things, fact May is probably doomed and her successor will be king without a kingdom (tories completely split and only in power because of Corbyn) your suggestion is probably best... But still dont think it will happen.
May will not back down, she, ll lose vote on 10th...Guess what then...
Train heading for broken rail, nobody on brakes.
You voted for that remember? or did you expect something with Unicorns?
 
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oyster

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Is it time to invoke the war-time spirit? Welcome, Noel Coward... (Hull reference not specific :)to any individual poster.)

They're out of sorts in Sunderland
And terribly cross in Kent
They're dull in Hull
And the Isle of Mull
Is seething with discontent
They're nervous in Northumberland
And Devon is down the drain
They're filled with wrath
On the firth of Forth
And sullen on Salisbury Plain
In Dublin they're depressed, lads
Maybe because they're Celts
For Drake is going West, lads
And so is everyone else
Hurray-hurray-hurray!
Misery's here to stay

There are bad times just around the corner
There are dark clouds hurtling through the sky
And it's no good whining
About a silver lining
For we know from experience that they won't roll by
With a scowl and a frown
We'll keep our peckers down
And prepare for depression and doom and dread
We're going to unpack our troubles from our old kit bag
And wait until we drop down dead
 
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daveboy

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Why, when you were promised so very much more?
You must be very easily pleased with a few thrown crumbs, rather like a starving sparrow.
And how about answering the question , what's in it for the rest of us?
You have your little wet dream of sovereignty, where are our Unicorns , blue skies better pay and jobs, and better times we were promised?
You still don't get it.
The Eu hate us (just watch them on the TV)
I want out.
Whatever the cost (within reason, No world war 3)
 

oyster

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Why, when you were promised so very much more?
You must be very easily pleased with a few thrown crumbs, rather like a starving sparrow.
And how about answering the question , what's in it for the rest of us?
You have your little wet dream of sovereignty, where are our Unicorns , blue skies better pay and jobs, and better times we were promised?
I have met him and seen him do the old spoon trick. Very slick. 'twas on a "cruise" for a solar eclipse - in the English Channel. Basically, the ordinary ferry hung about a bit to get a better view than on the mainland.
 

oldgroaner

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oldgroaner

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You still don't get it.
The Eu hate us (just watch them on the TV)
I want out.
Whatever the cost (within reason, No world war 3)
I watch them on TV and frankly they bend over backwards to try to help us, there is no way they show hate, simply look after the other members.
What is wrong about that? we repeatedly lie to them and keep changing our minds,no hate there just impatience
Why do leave supporters keep trotting out the same old paranoid lies?
the only people dealing in hate are the leave campaign, that is what it is based on.
Oh I get it all right, it's actually you that hate the EU (are you are paid to do that?)
Just what do you actually want out of?
Even more pertinent what do your handlers want you to get us into?
You have evaded the question yet again
What is in it for us?
You still don't get it, do you? your maunderings cut no ice when you have nothing positive to offer to replace what we already have.
You offer nothing except pointless suffering for the people of this country , so what is your agenda, who or what are you working for?
 
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I watch them on TV and frankly they bend over backwards to try to help us, there is no way they show hate, simply look after the other members.
daveboy may have referred to 'a place in hell' for Chief Leavers.
 

Woosh

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What is in it for us?
we don't want paying more taxes.
Brexit promises to bring in smaller state, less spending on charity and benefits. No more money for the EU!
I do want to keep my triple lock on my state pension and cold weather allowance though.
 

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