Brexit, for once some facts.
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No Brexit, that’s a kind of Brexit, the kind that didn’t happen.
It might be reasonable to try to permit TM to resign with what might pass as dignity. What is utterly intolerable is for her to get another job, senior, junior or toilet scrubbing. Absolutely anything she were appointed to would be so heavily contaminated by her history that it would be impossible for her to perform it properly.
(A new brush and toilet duck might help a bit. But still not adequate.)
Senior Eurosceptics were discussing ways to give May a “dignified exit” if her deal passes next week, perhaps by offering her another senior job if she promises to resign soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/prime-minister-faces-increasing-pressure-to-quit-
(A new brush and toilet duck might help a bit. But still not adequate.)
Senior Eurosceptics were discussing ways to give May a “dignified exit” if her deal passes next week, perhaps by offering her another senior job if she promises to resign soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/prime-minister-faces-increasing-pressure-to-quit-
I agree. She barely has the skills necessary for the job title of Ordinary Member of the Public. Any sort of public office or responsibility is totally out of the question in her case.
The action of a democratic government? Adhering to the word and spirit of freedom of information legislation? Do they really mean that this information could cause more and worse damage than the government itself has done - through its approach to brexit and inability to manage it?
It emerged on Wednesday that ministers had banned NHS hospitals from publishing risk assessments about how Brexit might affect them, allegedly because doing so could “put public wellbeing at risk”.
The Department of Health and Social Care has written to NHS trusts in England telling them not to put into the public domain their own analyses of the pitfalls facing them.
The department’s “advice” stops trusts from outlining how Britain’s departure from the EU might affect their non-clinical goods and services and staff from EU nations.
The move appears to be an attempt to thwart an attempt by the Health Service Journal website to obtain details of these possible impacts.
The HSJ disclosed on Wednesday that the DHSC has circulated guidance to trusts about how to respond to any request from it under freedom of information laws for sight of their risk assessment documents, telling them they must “not share this information”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/uks-emergency-plans-for-no-deal-brexit-begin-to-be-put-into-action
The very name "trust" was chosen to blind those who cannot see to the nature of the beasts. But this means we have trusts which in their essence we cannot trust because we do not have the information.
It emerged on Wednesday that ministers had banned NHS hospitals from publishing risk assessments about how Brexit might affect them, allegedly because doing so could “put public wellbeing at risk”.
The Department of Health and Social Care has written to NHS trusts in England telling them not to put into the public domain their own analyses of the pitfalls facing them.
The department’s “advice” stops trusts from outlining how Britain’s departure from the EU might affect their non-clinical goods and services and staff from EU nations.
The move appears to be an attempt to thwart an attempt by the Health Service Journal website to obtain details of these possible impacts.
The HSJ disclosed on Wednesday that the DHSC has circulated guidance to trusts about how to respond to any request from it under freedom of information laws for sight of their risk assessment documents, telling them they must “not share this information”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/uks-emergency-plans-for-no-deal-brexit-begin-to-be-put-into-action
The very name "trust" was chosen to blind those who cannot see to the nature of the beasts. But this means we have trusts which in their essence we cannot trust because we do not have the information.
Looking at Brexit as if it was a contagious disease - 'Leaver Fever' - Tory Party should have been immediately put in isolation rather than have been given to opportunity of spreading the infection around.
.. again I don't wish to comment on internal UK politicians, but Labour does not appear to be providing anything better.
Once more than half the country had been "infected" it would make more sense to isolate the
remaining or remainers.
I’m listening to a Radio 5 phone in regarding TM’s address to the nation. Yep, she seems to have attracted even more hostility from every quarter. Remain and Leave are united in their disgust and loathing.
She also seems to be enjoying a furious backlash from Parliament too.
I expected nothing less.
She also seems to be enjoying a furious backlash from Parliament too.
I expected nothing less.
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I am pretty sure her advisers are aware of that.
If her deal gets voted down, parliament will proceed to have alternatives voted on, this time with free vote, meaning any proposition with Labour and remainers backing will be passed.
Let's say either Common Market 2.0 or Kyle Wilson get passed, she will implement the winning proposition without being accused of splitting her party.
This is all good but what if Macron says non.
I suspect/know we will get the three months despite May losing her next vote but in reality this is all heading towards a general election.
The big wrinkle is the EU elections.
I have a suspicion that if/when she loses the ‘meaningful’ vote she will have no option but to call a snap GE. This gives enough time to get out before the EU elections or more likely a fudge of a coalition that kicks the can down the road two more years. Think Labour, Tig, libs(snigger) and SNP.
Tried to sign the petition to revoke Article 50 but the governments website has crashed because of the volume of traffic.
Theresa May won’t give us a second referendum so this is possibly the only possibility of Remainers to register our vote....ALL REMAINERS SHOULD SIGN THIS PETITION.....maybe it will get to over 17.4 million votes,if the website can cope with the traffic.
KudosDave
Theresa May won’t give us a second referendum so this is possibly the only possibility of Remainers to register our vote....ALL REMAINERS SHOULD SIGN THIS PETITION.....maybe it will get to over 17.4 million votes,if the website can cope with the traffic.
KudosDave
It was extraordinary. The PM derives their authority from the Parliament,and every dog knows you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
i think it's a personality thing (she appear to enjoy some sort of sadistic control). However, i am deeply grateful to her for alienating HoC and appealing to the sentiments of the densest and most prejudiced part of the electorate. She runs a very real risk of replacing Grayling as my favouritest tory of all time.
yes, the tories' self-harm (fortunately in abundant supply) is now the formal opposition. i dont think ive ever been quite as disillusioned (or at least in ten years) as ive grown in corbyn
Thanks for flagging it up. i tried to sign it a moment ago but am still waiting for confirming email. It said its up to seven hundred and something thousand
edit - its worked (email came through)! parliament considers debating any petition over hundred thousand
Jonathan.....I also voted but no confirmation e-mail yet....the governments server obviously cannot cope with the volume of traffic.
Well done the lady who started this petition.
KudosDave
Well done the lady who started this petition.
KudosDave
Macron only tries to help TM by forcing the ERG and the DUP to come to a decision.
If TM wins next week, then there is no reason why Macron should interfere.
If Common Market 2.0 is passed, the withdrawal agreement will be passed also, there may be a revision of the political declaration but it's essentially the same deal as TM's deal.
If Kyle Wilson is passed, then it's still the same TM's deal but the EU will need to agree a longer extension, perhaps 6-9 months for the confirmatory vote.
Macron has no opposition to either Common Market 2.0 nor Kyle Wilson's amendment.
With all the circumspection , etc., due any public comment:
RichardCrookston
Interesting side note.
Today one of our local retailers, runs his own business and a one-time ardent Brexiteer said to me the most amazing thing.
"Why don't we just get rid of the Westminster government, and the Welsh Assembly government and have direct rule from Brussels. Surely that would be better than all this nonsense".
I was dumbfounded. This man was so pro-Brexit at one time that to see such a change in his attitude to it was a revelation about how the UK has been messed around by the Tories that even their on-the-street allies are deserting them.
"But" he asked "who would I vote for in the next election? I cannot vote Tory and Labour are out so..?"
Is this a tale that can be repeated across the country?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/21/brexit-mps-theresa-may-prime-minister
RichardCrookston
Interesting side note.
Today one of our local retailers, runs his own business and a one-time ardent Brexiteer said to me the most amazing thing.
"Why don't we just get rid of the Westminster government, and the Welsh Assembly government and have direct rule from Brussels. Surely that would be better than all this nonsense".
I was dumbfounded. This man was so pro-Brexit at one time that to see such a change in his attitude to it was a revelation about how the UK has been messed around by the Tories that even their on-the-street allies are deserting them.
"But" he asked "who would I vote for in the next election? I cannot vote Tory and Labour are out so..?"
Is this a tale that can be repeated across the country?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/21/brexit-mps-theresa-may-prime-minister