Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

I agree with what you say, except that we were never given a choice in the matter. You could argue that this is up to the politicians to make the judgement but that then gives them the power to implement policies in their interests and not necessarily in the interests of the populace. Was it not stated that if there was any transfer of powers with any treaty then we would get a referendum, in fact I seem to recall Blair saying we would have one and then reneging on it. No doubt under pressure from the EU, and there are other instances of such dodgy dealings. Gordon Brown sneaking in the back door to sign a treaty and then scuttling away springs to mind

I am sorry to disagree but at every treaty and almost every EU directive,the UK Parliament had a veto. It could at any stage refuse, or demand that it be put to its people. It had that level of control, as indeed had every other of the mixture of republics and kingdoms comprising the EC,EEC,EU.
It is a bit rich, claiming a democratic deficiency in the EU, when the cause is much more local.

 

[Wicky]

You think our MPs, such as Corbyn, Abbot, Farage etc etc are more capable

Since when was Farage capable of anything apart from being a rabble rousing puppet fronting for ethnic-nationalist division sponsored from afar - "MP" - 7 times unlucky wan't it??

 

[oyster]

Yes, he did it again... Grayling has spent even more of our money.

Brexit delay could cost millions in extra payments to ferry firms
Estimated extra cost of £28m will be fresh blow to transport secretary Chris Grayling
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/brexit-delay-could-cost-millions-in-extra-payments-to-ferry-firms-chris-grayling

If brexit gets delayed long enough, perhaps Seaborne would actually have managed to get a vessel, crew, port facilities, in place before we leave.

 

[Woosh]

It is a bit rich, claiming a democratic deficiency in the EU, when the cause is much more local.

I think the problem starts in the disconnection between the local population and the need of a functioning single market spread over 28 member states.
Take the issue of maximum power for vacuum cleaners as an example.
The EU imposes a maximum of power (800W) and noise level (80dB).
The anti-EU faction jumps immediately upon it and claim EU rules over us.
Same with energy saving light bulbs.
The reality is it's a product standard that we ought to have any way.
If the majority wants the energy saving light bulbs, then it should be made into EU law rather than 28 slightly different pieces of legislation.

 

[oldgroaner]

Its 10.04 AM and OG has posted 11 times today, and he believes he is sane and rational.
Its pointless talking to the deranged. I, m putting OG back on ignore, not so I dont read his garbage but to tidy the thread up. Please reciprocate OG. Seriously. (its 12 now)

This is a public Forum: what it is not is a Soap Box where you can rant and rave to your hearts content and attack people without any response from them
Feel free to put me on ignore but know this
I won't be ignoring you, and will read and respond to your post with enthusiasm, as frankly I don't trust you far enough to not have you in plain sight.
And for the record calling someone deranged is definitely not on, especially coming from you.
Have a nice day.

 

[oldgroaner]

Totally agreed Danidl. Perhaps there should have been conditions put on ref but they were not. It was a binary decision, in or out, country chose out. That is always going to be the nature of voting.
And, just as now voters dont fully understand the complexities of leaving they hadnt a clue where EU was heading when we joined in 73. Perhaps all those years ago it should have been made clear the EU (EEC then?, a trading block?) was planning to become the dominant power in Europe with complete power over governments, forming laws and passing judgements over all involved, which is where it is heading.
Its quite simple really Danidl. The majority of people in UK do not want to be part of that.
Asking people for reasons behind that feeling and justifacations of those beliefs is superflous. Nobody need justify who they wish to be governed by. I dont want EU. I, m happy with our governance and all its faults.
Thanks, but no thanks. I want to be governed from Westminster. Not Brussels.
Its rather like parents telling children who they should marry. I, ll make my own decision thanks. I voted out and would do so again.
If that makes me responsible for leaving so be it, but I, m not responsible for all the arguing, reprisal, insults and the mess. Thats squarely with MPs and remainers.

When the idea is patently absurd it's hardly surprising those in favour of remain object is it?
And most of the Arguing, reprisals and insults go on between two parties that are actually in favour of Brexit

How the heck have you managed to miss that Elephant in the room?

Answer: because you don't want it not to be the Truth.

The only party against Brexit is the Lib Dem and you hardly ever get a peep out of them.

 

[gray198]

It could at any stage refuse, or demand that it be put to its people. It had that level of control, as indeed had every other of the mixture of republics and kingdoms comprising the EC,EEC,EU.

it could but didn't.

 

[gray198]

The reality is it's a product standard that we ought to have any way.
If the majority wants the energy saving light bulbs, then it should be made into EU law rather than 28 slightly different pieces of legislation.

yes so now it costs about £4 for a lightbulb that used to cost 30p. Bet Phillips and other big companies love that

 

[anotherkiwi]

yes so now it costs about £4 for a lightbulb that used to cost 30p. Bet Phillips and other big companies love that

They last 20 times longer so you are saving £2 on the bulb and even more on your electricity bill. OK they don't keep your house as warm, I'll concede that.

 

[gray198]

They last 20 times longer so you are saving £2 on the bulb and even more on your electricity bill. OK they don't keep your house as warm, I'll concede that.

in my experience they don't last 20 times longer. That's just salestalk to get us to accept them

 

[oyster]

yes so now it costs about £4 for a lightbulb that used to cost 30p. Bet Phillips and other big companies love that

Add in the tendency for lamp life to be greater. And electricity consumption to be lower. And the difference in purchase cost gets rather whittled away. (It obviously isn't the same lamp that now costs £4 as against 30p.)

Also, everything else has gone up, especially recently, with brexit potentially in the offing.

 

[Danidl]

yes so now it costs about £4 for a lightbulb that used to cost 30p. Bet Phillips and other big companies love that

Except that it now lasts 30 times longer, consumes 5% the power ,and is a much more expensive and complicated to manufacture. figures in comparison with the older non halogen types. The lighr power output from an incandescent lamp can be traded for lifetime... The equation involves brightness to the power of 10 !.
The incandescent photoflood lamps have a lifetime measured in minutes not hours

 

[Woosh]

yes so now it costs about £4 for a lightbulb that used to cost 30p. Bet Phillips and other big companies love that

they use about 8 times less electricity, I don't have to worry about the cost of leaving more lights on at night.
if you leave 100W in incandescent bulb (1500 lumens) for a year, that would cost about £110 in electricity.
You get the same number of lumens using 11W LED bulbs (1500 lumens), over the same time, £13.
It's a no brainer really.

 

[Danidl]

in my experience they don't last 20 times longer. That's just salestalk to get us to accept them

Show your statistics ...

 

[50Hertz]

That is another of your nonsensical Urban Myths
Do you make them up yourself?

No bickering please. Because I’ve been away, it doesn’t mean that I’m not watching!

 

[gray198]

Show your statistics ...

just look at the statistics just quoted on here. Lots of variation. Lies damned lies and statistics. Who said that???

 

[wheeler]

The only party against Brexit is the Lib Dem and you hardly ever get a peep out of them.

Slight correction, the SNP is also against Brexit and you get a lot of peeps from it.

 

[flecc]

just look at the statistics just quoted on here. Lots of variation. Lies damned lies and statistics. Who said that???

No matter how long they last, the current saving makes them far better value over time, and the way electricity prices are going, that will get better and better.

I know the huge amounts I've saved by switching to each new generation of energy saving lighting as it's arrived.
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[wheeler]

No bickering please. Because I’ve been away, it doesn’t mean that I’m not watching!

Whoop, whoop, that's the sound of the forum police.

 

[flecc]

Slight correction, the SNP is also against Brexit and you get a lot of peeps from it.

We can't vote for them though. When are they going to set up an SNP South?
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