Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

I have responded to the errors you have made in your response,but now go back to the main question I had posed. . Why are you and presumably millions of others in the UK ignorant of the effects membership of the EU has had on the social life throughout the continent?.
Actually I don't expect an answer,as it is evident that such a level of analysis is beyond you.

I don't deny some of the infrastructure the EU has spent our money on has greatly benefited other countries.

For instance, the road from Bilbao to San Sebastian. Its an amazing piece of engineering cutting through mountains over rivers. I visit there quite a bit.

Point is I would like our government to use our money to fix our pot holes before we start building massive projects like this. And that road isn't even the most expensive.

It's a good thing but who made that decision? Ireland has hugely benefited from such schemes too. My wifes family has a shiny new motorway built from Dublin down to Wexford with many bypasses.

Great. Except it will destroy their village economy where her nan lives. No passing traffic means pubs closing and garages closing.

I see the EU as a trading bloc with shared projects in the sciences and arts not as an unelected nation builder. Everywhere you look in the world governance is being handed out to local levels. They know what to spend the money. Of course the Tories in this country are starving local councils but that is different matter.

And lose the tude Dani. It doesn't suit you.

 

[Danidl]

Neither does any agreement made by the UK Government.

..and apparently neither does the rule of law. The Begum case providing that point. That young woman does not have dual citizenship, therefore the action of the Home Secretary was illegal, under British Law. It appears a similar case is happening in the USA, with Pre. Trump tweeting.

I don't deny some of the infrastructure the EU has spent our money on has greatly benefited other countries.

For instance, the road from Bilbao to San Sebastian. Its an amazing piece of engineering cutting through mountains over rivers. I visit there quite a bit.

Point is I would like our government to use our money to fix our pot holes before we start building massive projects like this. And that road isn't even the most expensive.

It's a good thing but who made that decision? Ireland has hugely benefited from such schemes too. My wifes family has a shiny new motorway built from Dublin down to Wexford with many bypasses.

Great. Except it will destroy their village economy where her nan lives. No passing traffic means pubs closing and garages closing.

I see the EU as a trading bloc with shared projects in the sciences and arts not as an unelected nation builder. Everywhere you look in the world governance is being handed out to local levels. They know what to spend the money. Of course the Tories in this country are starving local councils but that is different matter.

And lose the tude Dani. It doesn't suit you.

That was not the question I posed.

 

[Fingers]

..and apparently neither does the rule of law. The Begum case providing that point. That young woman does not have dual citizenship, therefore the action of the Home Secretary was illegal, under British Law. It appears a similar case is happening in the USA, with Pre. Trump tweeting.

That was not the question I posed.

Well thats the answer you've been given.

 

[flecc]

Everywhere you look in the world governance is being handed out to local levels. They know what to spend the money. Of course the Tories in this country are starving local councils but that is different matter.

The Tories are handing out the governance to us, just in a different way. Their system is to tax us the costs of services as if they were providing them, but then under the "Big Society", expect us to provide the services as volunteers.

Examples are the way the public raise funds to provide equipment like scanners and provide volunteer workers to hospitals. And in the terrible situation in Northern Ireland, parents and local businesses are having to fund schools, not only for teaching materials but even basics like toilet rolls.
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[Woosh]

Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, supported by a group of Tory remainers, now propose that the Commons should be given the chance to back a deal – and then to put it to the electorate in a referendum.

 

[Danidl]

Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, supported by a group of Tory remainers, now propose that the Commons should be given the chance to back a deal – and then to put it to the electorate in a referendum.

A deal or the deal ..eg the WA?. There is only one deal on the table everything else is wishful thinking . Also there is no time to negotiate another deal , let alone time to hold a referendum. It is a question of too little too late.
Extension to A50... Same problem as before.

 

[Danidl]

Well thats the answer you've been given.

I have sat and chaired a large number of interview panels, had these been the responses, we would have gently moved on to the next topic and just as definitely placed a 0/5 against that topic.
Next candidate please.

 

[Fingers]

I have sat and chaired a large number of interview panels, had these been the responses, we would have gently moved on to the next topic and just as definitely placed a 0/5 against that topic.
Next candidate please.

I'm not into tarmacing so I doubt I would have applied in the first place tbh.

 

[Woosh]

A deal or the deal ..eg the WA?. There is only one deal on the table everything else is wishful thinking . Also there is no time to negotiate another deal , let alone time to hold a referendum. It is a question of too little too late.
Extension to A50... Same problem as before.

I think Labour plan evolves slowly toward supporting a referendum with a remain option.
Let's say this motion gets voted for next week.
JC will support TM's deal, both Labour and Conservatives front benches will vote for it but the deal needs to be confirmed by a referendum. The default position is if the deal is not confirmed, then A50 will be cancelled.
That way, there won't be uncertainty and there won't be democratic deficit.

 

[Danidl]

I think Labour plan evolves slowly toward supporting a referendum with a remain option.
Let's say this motion gets voted for next week.
JC will support TM's deal, both Labour and Conservatives front benches will vote for it but the deal needs to be confirmed by a referendum. The default position is if the deal is not confirmed, then A50 will be cancelled.
That way, there won't be uncertainty and there won't be democratic deficit.

Yes that could work. I f I understand you The default position would then be that the WA is legally binding on the UK, by 29th March, the UK then holds a referendum on either accepting it, or remaining a full member. Until such a referendum was held the status quo ante would continue ..which is the WA .
That would work as there would be no legal abyss . Both EU and UK systems intact.
Presumably a referendum result of not accepting either the WA, or the full remain would exist as a possibility?.
Carrying through.
In the event of the remain option winning ,then the UK would have to repeal the great repeal act ,but would probably be without an EU parliamentary representatives for the next EU sessions. They would have rights at the EU Council.
In the event of the WA option winning ,there would need to be rapid developments in the new working arrangements area,which has been utterly sidelined.
In the event of the referendum again defeating these options .. potential crashout min short order.

 

[anotherkiwi]

I don't deny some of the infrastructure the EU has spent our money on has greatly benefited other countries.

https://gov.wales/funding/eu-funds/2014-2020/?lang=en

Like Wales for example and...

Here's what the EU has funded in Scotland. The EU has invested £379 million in 188 projects over the last five years to help create jobs and support the economy in Scotland. That's funding which has or will arrive through European Structural and Investment Funds (ESIF) between 2014 and 2020.Dec 17, 2018

Nasty, all those foreign countries like Scotland and Wales getting your money, what a scandal! Time you got out I think...

 

[Fingers]

https://gov.wales/funding/eu-funds/2014-2020/?lang=en

Like Wales for example and...

Here's what the EU has funded in Scotland. The EU has invested £379 million in 188 projects over the last five years to help create jobs and support the economy in Scotland. That's funding which has or will arrive through European Structural and Investment Funds (ESIF) between 2014 and 2020.Dec 17, 2018

Nasty, all those foreign countries like Scotland and Wales getting your money, what a scandal! Time you got out I think...

We are already.

But thanks.

 

[50Hertz]

..and apparently neither does the rule of law. The Begum case providing that point. That young woman does not have dual citizenship, therefore the action of the Home Secretary was illegal, under British Law. It appears a similar case is happening in the USA, with Pre. Trump tweeting.

That was not the question I posed.

I hope you have been playing nicely whilst I have been away.

No more talking about the terrorist please. That has been dealt with by our Home Secretary. It doesn’t concern you.

 

[tommie]

Yes that could work. I f I understand you The default position would then be that the WA is legally binding on the UK, by 29th March, the UK then holds a referendum on either accepting it, or remaining a full member. Until such a referendum was held the status quo ante would continue ..which is the WA .
That would work as there would be no legal abyss . Both EU and UK systems intact.
Presumably a referendum result of not accepting either the WA, or the full remain would exist as a possibility?.
Carrying through.
In the event of the remain option winning ,then the UK would have to repeal the great repeal act ,but would probably be without an EU parliamentary representatives for the next EU sessions. They would have rights at the EU Council.
In the event of the WA option winning ,there would need to be rapid developments in the new working arrangements area,which has been utterly sidelined.
In the event of the referendum again defeating these options .. potential crashout min short order.

Cutting through all that malaise - In short the ramblings of a confused mind - i don`t expect any improvement unfortunately...

 

[oldgroaner]

They are hand picked for an even spread of views and opinions.

Even flat earth people like you would be considered.

Not having faith in Corbyns basic business common sense. In fact basic common sense really isn't an extremist view to the non believers.

There is no way this person can ever be pm. He should be 29 points clear in the polls. 10 years of this shower and he can't lay a finger on may.

Shockingly poor.

Are you seriously proposing that the Conservatives are any better for business?
Just look at their record.
Truly you are being silly, and common sense is something you haven't the mental capacity to comment on.
So now to add to your already long list of slurs I am a flat earth person?
Truly pathetic that you would imagine that is the sort of thing a rational adult should say.
And you get support from the other leave voters.
That is truly telling.
This is the reality
Not having faith in Conservative basic business common sense. Is basic common sense
Brexit is your responsibilty, it's a mess and it's going to get far worse.
I suggest you get your collective fingers out and try to make your lead airship fly.

 

[oldgroaner]

Silly old man.

You are arguing semantics. The pm of the day said it would be binding and acted upon.

The legal framework of the question had to be ambiguous.

But there was never any suggestion that it wasn't real. Same with the Scottish referendum.

You really are Einsteins explanation of madness.

Since the result was obtained illegally and all agree that is the case his promise is also automatically void.
Nothing ambiguous about that!

Nor has it anything to do with Einstein's definition of madness, which is in fact like Brexit just something attributed to him ( and several other sources too)

Can't you get an adult to edit your posts and delete the slurs and insults? it would certainly make you look less that foolish than you do now.

 

[oldgroaner]

You havent met my wife..

Please pass on my best wishes and sympathy to her.

 

[Danidl]

I hope you have been playing nicely whilst I have been away.

No more talking about the terrorist please. That has been dealt with by our Home Secretary. It doesn’t concern you.

As before. Whenever one chooses to bring up British Principles, I feel free to bring up British bad faith and illegality.

 

[Danidl]

Cutting through all that malaise - In short the ramblings of a confused mind - i don`t expect any improvement unfortunately...

Nor regrettably do I. But can you identify which mind is confused?.

 

[Woosh]

3-month extension of A50 is likely.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1098987661530972161