Brexit, for once some facts.

Fingers

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true, but it applies to many millions brexit voters.
I am not concerned by that, I always thought that I do not like to see this country absorbed into the USE, I prefer we join EFTA instead.
as someone said, everyone has teeth but not everyone is a dentist.

Well my analogy to that was anyone can use a word processor but it doesn’t make them a novelist.
 

Danidl

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Nothing you have quoted needs to change.

In fact my understanding is the erasmus programme will continue.

We will still sell shellfish to France and export meat.

I'm not sure what a leader program is but that does sound federal so I'm glad we are out of that.

Why should we be supporting villages in Eastern Europe when our own towns are decaying? These are western countries. They have the best opportunities going.

We give 13billion in aid to countries that need it.

Pound for pound per capita we give the most international aid in the world.
Your understanding regarding Erasmus is defective. What is being suggested is an orderly closedown, so those currently engaged,will be able to continue the year out. For those commencing studies in EU or UK in September 2019 ,is possible. There is nothing beyond that.
If you don't know about Leader programmes ..,there is no point in trying to bring you up to speed. ,But there are many rural communities in Wales which could have benefited..
 
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oldgroaner

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There you are OG. Perfect.
Its exactly why leave won.
Yes, I can see the attractions, thanks but no thanks. And shout and repeat as much as you want OG I will not change my mind. I do not want to be part of a USE.
Pity that, but you will be in time, and lets face it, people who stoop to forgery deserve no sympathy
And that factor wasn't why leave won , targeted illegally funded email adverts exploiting the wish to protest against the government, immigration scares, and lies about money for the NHS were the real reason.
It was unlawfully flawed and should have been annulled
And speaking of people who stoop to changing other people's words, here's another leave fan who does that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35027252
An MP accused of faking a death threat has defended modifying a message from a constituent.
Conservative MP for Telford, Lucy Allan, posted an email ending with the words "unless you die" on Facebook.

I'm not impressed with the company you keep
 
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oldgroaner

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A lesson in using a stooge to spread false rumours
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Business is FLEEING a Corbyn premiership - Audience member makes FIERY Question Time claim
JEREMY Corbyn’s Labour Party was savaged by a Question Time audience member last night who claimed businesses are already leaving the country, after branding Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell a “self-admitted Marxist”."

Great diversionary tactic. Corbyn has no chance of being elected PM, but how convenient to deflect the blame from Brexit!

These hand picked QT audiences are good value for the money the leave campaign pay them.
This one can be confident he will be "invited" again.
 
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Ok then. Educate me.
LEADER/CLLD

LEADERhttps://enrd.ec.europa.eu/leader-clld_en#_edn1 is a local development method which has been used for 20 years to engage local actors in the design and delivery of strategies, decision-making and resource allocation for the development of their rural areas.

https://enrd.ec.europa.eu/leader-clld_en

I didn't suggest you should know what it is, nor that I know much about it. But you damn it on the basis of what it sounds like without lifting a finger to find out.
 
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Yet on those findings we are still 5th. Against the like of Denmark and UAE. Our taxation is less than those countries so per person our generosity is bigger.

It's not a willy waving contest. But I won't have we don't do our bit.

More than anyone else in the world.
Interesting math, do you have a Phd in economics? GNI means income before tax. I'll give you a clue, the secret is in the word "before".

5th isn't bad at all, much better than most but your last sentence is fake news...
 
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I don't think that's true for most remainers, including me. Just a few want that.

I'd love Brexit to be a spectacular success with the UK prospering, but I don't think there's any chance of that.

That opinion doesn't mean I want it to fail, just that I don't see any prospect of success, especially with the calibre of politicians and even most business persons that we have.
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It's curious how you overlook the far right ideology behind brexit. The alliance between ukip, trump, wilder, le Pen. I imagine wishing it could work is part of a wistful fantasy on you and fingers part for a world infused with the politics and values of the likes of le Pen and geert wilder. The most empathic thing I can think of saying to that is that I hope your vision fails, and that I think a bad wto brexit is a small price to pay for that failure.
 
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oldgroaner

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I believe this to be true. There is a massive amount of MPs and people in fact, you only have to look on here, who want Brexit to be a disaster of epic proportions so they can say 'Told you so'

That really is the equivalent of cutting your nose to spite your face.
So what? you believe Brexit will be a success too!
Warning and wanting are different words, you seem unable to understand that, it's like trying to communicate with a fundamentalist .
You keep getting warnings and all the signs are against this religion of Brexit.
It is nothing more than that.
What we want is to avoid the disaster by avoiding what will cause it.
Why do Brexit supporters have such a big "Victim" complex?
You created this situation, not remainers, and now you look to blame everyone else when it is so obviously going down in ruin.
It has cost the country a fortune already and it gets worse everyday.
 

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LEADER/CLLD

LEADERhttps://enrd.ec.europa.eu/leader-clld_en#_edn1 is a local development method which has been used for 20 years to engage local actors in the design and delivery of strategies, decision-making and resource allocation for the development of their rural areas.

https://enrd.ec.europa.eu/leader-clld_en

I didn't suggest you should know what it is, nor that I know much about it. But you damn it on the basis of what it sounds like without lifting a finger to find out.

So I was right then?

Thought so.
 

oldgroaner

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Yesterday's News
"So in court today it was found that the referendum would have been immediately QUASHED due to illegalities...IF it was MANDATORY. As it is ADVISORY it CANNOT be. Let that sink in."

So we are in fact proceeding on the basis of
"It is not the Will of the People"

The madness goes on
it is now proven to be a Right wing Coup.


Leave moral position explained

"So what if the Car is stolen, that's past , it's ours now, lets go for a run eh?"
 
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Fingers

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A lesson in using a stooge to spread false rumours
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Business is FLEEING a Corbyn premiership - Audience member makes FIERY Question Time claim
JEREMY Corbyn’s Labour Party was savaged by a Question Time audience member last night who claimed businesses are already leaving the country, after branding Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell a “self-admitted Marxist”."

Great diversionary tactic. Corbyn has no chance of being elected PM, but how convenient to deflect the blame from Brexit!

These hand picked QT audiences are good value for the money the leave campaign pay them.
This one can be confident he will be "invited" again.

They are hand picked for an even spread of views and opinions.

Even flat earth people like you would be considered.

Not having faith in Corbyns basic business common sense. In fact basic common sense really isn't an extremist view to the non believers.

There is no way this person can ever be pm. He should be 29 points clear in the polls. 10 years of this shower and he can't lay a finger on may.

Shockingly poor.
 

Fingers

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Yesterday's News
"So in court today it was found that the referendum would have been immediately QUASHED due to illegalities...IF it was MANDATORY. As it is ADVISORY it CANNOT be. Let that sink in."

So we are in fact proceeding on the basis of
"It is not the Will of the People"

The madness goes on
it is now proven to be a Right wing Coup.


Leave moral position explained

"So what if the Car is stolen, that's past , it's ours now, lets go for a run eh?"

Silly old man.

You are arguing semantics. The pm of the day said it would be binding and acted upon.

The legal framework of the question had to be ambiguous.

But there was never any suggestion that it wasn't real. Same with the Scottish referendum.

You really are Einsteins explanation of madness.
 

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The pm of the day said it would be binding and acted upon.
he's gone, the PM of the day, David Cameron.
TM may interpret that promise any way she wants.
Had DC stayed, my guess he would have gone for a soft brexit.
 

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Pity that, but you will be in time, and lets face it, people who stoop to forgery deserve no sympathy
And that factor wasn't why leave won , targeted illegally funded email adverts exploiting the wish to protest against the government, immigration scares, and lies about money for the NHS were the real reason.
It was unlawfully flawed and should have been annulled
And speaking of people who stoop to changing other people's words, here's another leave fan who does that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35027252
An MP accused of faking a death threat has defended modifying a message from a constituent.
Conservative MP for Telford, Lucy Allan, posted an email ending with the words "unless you die" on Facebook.

I'm not impressed with the company you keep
You havent met my wife..
 

Fingers

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he's gone, the PM of the day, David Cameron.
TM may interpret that promise any way she wants.
Had DC stayed, my guess he would have gone for a soft brexit.

Maybe.

My guess is he would have been screwed by the frothers like May is.
 

Danidl

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Silly old man.

You are arguing semantics. The pm of the day said it would be binding and acted upon.

The legal framework of the question had to be ambiguous.

But there was never any suggestion that it wasn't real. Same with the Scottish referendum.

You really are Einsteins explanation of madness.
Silly young man,
The PM of the day went over to Brussels, publicly agreed a 520 page WA and brought it back . Parliament disagreed
Now Eistein whats the difference?. I
 

Fingers

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Silly young man,
The PM of the day went over to Brussels, publicly agreed a 520 page WA and brought it back . Parliament disagreed
Now Eistein whats the difference?. I

Very little.


He is a swivel eyed lunatic as well.

Although I bet groaners work ethic is better.
 

Danidl

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Nothing you have quoted needs to change.

In fact my understanding is the erasmus programme will continue.

We will still sell shellfish to France and export meat.

I'm not sure what a leader program is but that does sound federal so I'm glad we are out of that.

Why should we be supporting villages in Eastern Europe when our own towns are decaying? These are western countries. They have the best opportunities going.

We give 13billion in aid to countries that need it.

Pound for pound per capita we give the most international aid in the world.
I have responded to the errors you have made in your response,but now go back to the main question I had posed. . Why are you and presumably millions of others in the UK ignorant of the effects membership of the EU has had on the social life throughout the continent?.
Actually I don't expect an answer,as it is evident that such a level of analysis is beyond you.
 

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