They are government ministers carrying out support services for cabinet ministers. They are not in any way civil servants.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Which industrial revolution are you referring to ?. The textiles,the metal working,the mining the chemicals, the agricultural, the glass,
As OG reminded me, there is no way that he will be able to understand the difference between policy and execution.
You are getting confused, there is no such thing as an EU subject, all in the EU are citizens.
It's you who are a subject, of the Crown.
And the Republic of Ireland is sovereign enough to leave the EU if it wished, and very definitely a republic as you've acknowledged every time you've type RoI in this thread.
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Totally wrong again!
A Sovereign nation/Republic is one who makes their own Laws and decides its own future, it is NOT governed by anyone else,
ROI in letters only.
Er. No. All I said was that the EU commissioners are not elected (by Jo Public) - to their specific roles or into the EU at all. Which is correct.
Er. No. I correctly stated that they are not elected. They are nominated from their own governments. OG pointed out that they tend to be picked from officials who have previously been elected to something or other (local boy scouts) as proof that they are 'elected'. If you can not see how ridiculous this is then I can't help you.
Well all our Cabinet members ARE elected as MPs. Unlike EU commissioners who are NOT elected to any EU body.
She is not at the Pinnacle. The PM is. I think you need help.
Nonsense. For the zillionth time - she is a figurehead and can not act in any important matters without the agreement of Parliament.
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Danny - before you start back maybe you should educate yourself:
Here:
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-brussels-bureaucrats/?gclid=CjwKCAiA7vTiBRAqEiwA4NTO67VEYvL6sE0tDJeUkKvN2KwWkt9Vh4BbUnup_s5681YpF921SO0CjRoC650QAvD_BwE
Or here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commissioner
More facts - I thought for a moment maybe the EU commissioners were elected by the EU MPs. But no.
"The European Parliament must approve the Commission as a whole but does not vote on individual commissioners."
Really not elected.
"The European Parliament must approve the Commission as a whole but does not vote on individual commissioners."
Really not elected.
They're kind of like Civil servants that we have here - except they are the only ones within the EU who can actually propose laws. The EU MPs can not propose laws - only the EU commissioners can do that.
So not really like our civil servants....
Tommie,Tommie, you are better than this. We are a Republic, and hard fought to make it so. We have a Government a state,a legislature,a judicial system .. and even better a constitution . As a sovereign state we are empowered to make alliances with other sovereign states , including the UK and 27 others in an organisation called the EU. We are also enthusiastic members of the UN, to the extent that the probability of serving overseas for an Irish Army officier is higher than for any equivalent in any other army.
We have never fully had economic independence, primarily because of the influence of UK property conglomerates, and the size of the influence of British distribution networks on retail. It is only in the post EEC days ,that we have succeeded in diminishing the importance of UK trade,to an equivalent amount of EU trade. For that I do acknowledge the influence of USA inward manufacturing investment .We would be much further along that road,were it not for the disasterous sequence of events we look back at as the Troubles.. A sequence which Orange intransigence against civil rights played a serious part. I am not underplaying the obnoxious behaviour of the PIRA.
When that had finally been quitened,the irrational exuberance, in the South ,leading to a property bubble has seriously also hurt our economic sovereignty.. but we are working our way through that.
You may not like to hear this but the EEC and EU has played much more fair with us than the UK did and does.
No Tommie, you are the one who is wrong. The Republic of Ireland does make its own laws and is entirely in control of all those within its own boundaries as a Republic.
The reason for you being wrong is your lack of understanding of the EU's role. Every EU law or regulation is optional, each having a time period for requests to modify or for refusal to implement. Treaties can also be rejected, this is why we in the UK are not in Shengen and not in the eurozone
Even the way EU laws and regulations which have been accepted are implemented are entirely ruled upon by member nations within their own boundaries. That's why we in the UK ban under 14s from riding pedelecs when the EU doesn't, but we allow throttles when the EU bans them.
Ergo, all member countries remain as sovereign as their elected governments wish to be, having full control.
The EU role is one of persuasion, not enforcement, hence the current difficulties with members Hungary and Poland who are using their sovereignty in ways the EU dislikes but can do little about.
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Both right and wrong James. The Commissioners are effectively EU civil servants, but they are not the only proposers of law.
The MEPs and the European Parliament can and do propose laws to the Commission for acceptance or rejection. They did for our pedelecs for example, though the Commission on sound technical grounds didn't accept their proposed modification for power levels.
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Just imagine a short instant you are a MEP and you are very concerned about a problem that needs legislation. So what do you do? You grab your phone and call up the commissioner who is in charge of that particular sector, expose your problem and propose legislation.
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You make it sound like the whole thing is 'optional'.
So what are the 'not-optional' aspects?
No writing and pretending to be someone else is your speciality, and if you want links, why not make the effort to find them yourself?
Entirely optional within one's own borders, hence the loss of sovereignty being a fantasy.
The non-optional is the inability to export our own option choices to elsewhere in the EU. Keeping to the pedelec theme for example, the many French under 14 youngsters in London cannot ride their pedelec here, even though they could elsewhere in the EU. Conversely, if you have a legal throttle pedelec here, you cannot hop on a ferry or Eurostar and ride it legally elsewhere in the EU.
The S class speed pedelecs are another example, permitted in Germany, The Netherlands and Denmark now, but nowhere else in the EU unregistered as motor vehicles.
A more extreme example is that in France 14 year olds can drive power and speed limited cars, and for many years this was without any form of licence, though now they have to have a simple safety certificate.
And such differences are true in all areas. For example, although the EU Commission want to harmonise the age of consent, only one country has made any change, and that to a graduated penalty system, not a truly fixed age. Thus the age of consent in EU countries varies from 18 years down to 12 years for all and any form of sexual expression.
All these are demonstrations of EU countries exercising their sovereignty over EU law.
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Oh good grief, this is pathetic, please stop.
The thread doesn't benefit from playground insults like this.