Brexit, for once some facts.
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Wrong again they had already been elected into a position before the Government selected them for that post
Commissioners have generally all held political positions in their own countries, and many have been government ministers, but as Members of the Commission they are committed to acting in the interests of the Union as a whole and not taking instructions from national governments.
Even you should be able to work that out, the system is no different that that used to select members of the Cabinet, why aren't you complaining they are unelected?
The Telegraph this morning
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'Thousands of Tory party members' to defect as Nigel Farage's Brexit Party gets official approval
Thousands? that is news, which begs the question will any be left? and if the Mp's follow and there is a GE that pretty much guarantees Corbyn as PM!
Smart move?
Pretty much like Lincoln's to go to the Opera.
Look out for their new Battle Bus
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'Thousands of Tory party members' to defect as Nigel Farage's Brexit Party gets official approval
Thousands? that is news, which begs the question will any be left? and if the Mp's follow and there is a GE that pretty much guarantees Corbyn as PM!
Smart move?
Pretty much like Lincoln's to go to the Opera.
Look out for their new Battle Bus
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This is what our Noble Nation is doing right now
Remember the Leave Trope that " Free trade after Brexit will be good for Developing Nations?"
In the independent
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Brexit: UK ‘forcing poor nations into risky trade deals’
Ministers accused of pressure on developing nations to 'sign up blind’ – without knowing if rollover deals will prove to be second-rate
Some of the world’s poorest countries are being forced to agree potentially damaging trade deals with the UK by government “threats” in the rush to Brexit, campaigners say.
Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, is accused of piling pressure on developing nations to “sign up blind” – without knowing the value of the deals – with a warning they will otherwise be lost.
Just three of the 40 agreements the UK enjoys through EU membership, covering 71 countries, have been successfully “rolled over” – as the government promised – with Brexit day just seven weeks away.
All's fair when you are desperate to have Brexit to please America!
And of course that "Good for developing nations" trope is so "yesterday" anyway, best forget it and rip them off as usual.
And the FT reports
"Japan is taking advantage of Britain’s negotiating weakness to strike a worse trade deal than the one we have just obtained through the EU
Another leave promise of easy and better trade deal than we have inside the EU shown to be Fiction
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Extraordinary. Who would have thought that Japan would treat a small insignificant trading partner (but, sovereign and independent!) worse that a huge negotiating beast like the EU. The Faroe Islands better not try that.
He needn't worry about that we have indeed an FTA agreed with the Faeroe islands to come into effect if there is a no deal Brexit
"As the agreement only covers goods, it does not contain chapters commonly found in FTAs, for example, services and intellectual property rights.
Terrific! who needs "Services and intellectual property rights anyway"? No money in that sort of thing is there?
Irrelevent against the fact we can claim we have won!
Remember the Leave Trope that " Free trade after Brexit will be good for Developing Nations?"
In the independent
"
Brexit: UK ‘forcing poor nations into risky trade deals’
Ministers accused of pressure on developing nations to 'sign up blind’ – without knowing if rollover deals will prove to be second-rate
Some of the world’s poorest countries are being forced to agree potentially damaging trade deals with the UK by government “threats” in the rush to Brexit, campaigners say.
Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, is accused of piling pressure on developing nations to “sign up blind” – without knowing the value of the deals – with a warning they will otherwise be lost.
Just three of the 40 agreements the UK enjoys through EU membership, covering 71 countries, have been successfully “rolled over” – as the government promised – with Brexit day just seven weeks away.
All's fair when you are desperate to have Brexit to please America!
And of course that "Good for developing nations" trope is so "yesterday" anyway, best forget it and rip them off as usual.
And the FT reports
"Japan is taking advantage of Britain’s negotiating weakness to strike a worse trade deal than the one we have just obtained through the EU
Another leave promise of easy and better trade deal than we have inside the EU shown to be Fiction
One comment on Twitter
Extraordinary. Who would have thought that Japan would treat a small insignificant trading partner (but, sovereign and independent!) worse that a huge negotiating beast like the EU. The Faroe Islands better not try that.
He needn't worry about that we have indeed an FTA agreed with the Faeroe islands to come into effect if there is a no deal Brexit
"As the agreement only covers goods, it does not contain chapters commonly found in FTAs, for example, services and intellectual property rights.
Terrific! who needs "Services and intellectual property rights anyway"? No money in that sort of thing is there?
Irrelevent against the fact we can claim we have won!
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But you and I are her Subjects we are not Citizens are we?
The Queen has two individual powers that could cause a political crisis if they were ever exercised. She may refuse a government's request to dissolve parliament and call an election, if she believes a government can legitimately be formed. She also has the right to choose the prime minister: a formality in the case of a clear majority, but potentially controversial after an inconclusive general election. This almost happened in February 1974, when Labour failed to win an overall majority but the Conservatives considered power-sharing with the Liberals.
And of course she is unelected.
A Trade deal with America has just one or two little niggles attached
Why would anyone in their right mind want any of this?
The press will soon cover that up though!
Why would anyone in their right mind want any of this?
The press will soon cover that up though!
She can hand out 'commissions' till OG thinks Boris Johnson is an astute political leader but here on planet earth it will still mean absolutely Jack Sihte.
Could we have a source for this. Quoting things without one is pointless.A Trade deal with America has just one or two little niggles attached
Why would anyone in their right mind want any of this?
The press will soon cover that up though!
You could have written it...
1760 to 1840 was pretty good. This country almost single handedly dragged the world into a whole new economic paradigm.
The industrial revolution. What an amazing event. And started right here.
Rule Britannia!
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James O'Brian makes you sounds optimistic and reasonable OG.
We know all the so-called powers she has OG. Nobody is disputing that. But we all know that in reality she can do **** all of any significance without parliament's say-so.
Yeah well I was elected head cub-scout so I guess I count too.
Well he hasnt supplied a source, reference so looks like he did. How low can you get. Its despicable.
It was an amazing event,and it started in Scotland,where the Dissenting tradition and Scottish Enlightenment provided the scientific basis. Although it might be fair to include the huge effect of the skilled French Calvinists ,escaping persecution who brought practical skills.
Of course the trade which resulted in towns like Sheffield, etc ,was made global by the barrel of a gun.
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the source?
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64
Lobbyists for big firms made more than 130 demands, which include:
- Changing how NHS chiefs buy drugs to suit big US pharmaceutical companies
- Britain scraps its safety-first approach to safety and food standards
- Law changes that would allow foreign companies to sue the British state
- Removal of protections for traditional British products.
It was famously started in Ware.
I love it when your hatred of the English can’t help you to stop telling lies.
You are obsessed with us and our queen. Stockholm Sydrome?
Can you not see how convoluted your arguements are?. This sequence starts with your erroneous claim of an "unelected cabal" in Brussels, dictating to you. When called out on that, you then try an claim that they are still unelected,and undemocratic,because they were not directly elected by you. Then when shown that none of your leaders were in fact directly elected by you, you make again the spurious claim that at least they were elected. I show you that the person at the pinnacle of your political and social system , and how does have power,both political and moral, is not elected.
The fact that you claimed and indeed still claim she has no power ,despite clear evidence to the contrary,is pathetic. The powers may be limited and proscribed, but they are real.