Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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I have an ignore list. All my previous ignores are there.
I don't know what sort of list that is, but it's not part of this site's software so doesn't hide the posts of those on it. And there's no function for adding anyone else to the ignore list

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Here: Ripping off council tax payers, unprincipled property development.



Here: The implication being that I don't treat the people as human beings. (we will overlook the You're)



So someone did make those assertions. You are lying. The proof of your dishonesty is in front of you.

And how have you arrived at UK based Electricians, Plumbers, Plasterers, Joiners, Bricklayers and ground workers being unskilled cowboys? How can you possibly know that?

I have not overseen the construction of many properties, but so far there have been no complaints whatsoever with anything I have built. I am quite inexperienced, but I am thorough and pay attention to detail.

I guess my experience as an accountant and yours as a has-been bog salesman doesn't leave either of us with much of a platform to dictate how the construction industry should be run. But at least I am having a go and making an effort instead of making random, wild and incoherent accusations at every turn.
But you just did make a wild accusation about me.
Look this is fun and all that but seriously you need to calm down . I was not a "Bog Salesman as you put it but an Engineer and designer too.
Site meetings on major developments were part of my remit when problems were encountered. Canary Wharf for example was a pain right through the construction phase with the poor standard of many of the contractors, who on one floor managed to install a range of toilets they forgot to attach to the system and someone forgot to smoke test.
It was a Friday afternoon job and not noticed till Monday, very fortunate that the toilets had only been used a handful of times to judge from the mess in the duct.
Frankly whichever way you care to put it the building trade has not gained a good reputation on the work of amateur dabblers, it even struggles at times when the really professional companies are having an off day, and much of that is to do with using "best price" contractors.
Best you stick to the thread and leave your defence of the dubious fringe of the Building industry to concentrate on the matter at hand
 
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I don't know what sort of list that is, but it's not part of this site's software so doesn't hide the posts of those on it. And there's no function for adding anyone else to the ignore list

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Mine does. I am ignoring a RN (retired) battery "expert" with much success.

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But you just did make a wild accusation about me.
Look this is fun and all that but seriously you need to calm down . I was not a "Bog Salesman as you put it but an Engineer and designer too.
Site meetings on major developments were part of my remit when problems were encountered. Canary Wharf for example was a pain right through the construction phase with the poor standard of many of the contractors, who on one floor managed to install a range of toilets they forgot to attach to the system and someone forgot to smoke test.
It was a Friday afternoon job and not noticed till Monday, very fortunate that the toilets had only been used a handful of times to judge from the mess in the duct.
Frankly whichever way you care to put it the building trade has not gained a good reputation on the work of amateur dabblers, it even struggles at times when the really professional companies are having an off day, and much of that is to do with using "best price" contractors.
Best you stick to the thread and leave your defence of the dubious fringe of the Building industry to concentrate on the matter at hand

Because you engaged and oversaw majorly expensive **** ups it doesn't mean Hertz has to does it?

I wouldn't trust you to flush a turd let alone install a couple of traps. Christ no wonder Canary Wharf overran and was over budget with jokers like you running the **** show. Don't excuse the pun.
 

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Look this is fun and all that but seriously you need to calm down .
Now this is rather funny. It seems like you were saying quite the reverse yesterday.

Fair comment there by and large, but this thread is not irrelevant, it is part of a much wider interest in the issue that can influence events outside our little circle.

Your notion that this thread is a non event is not likely to be true.
I don't think I would trust you to sell a bog to a builder either. You aren't trustworthy enough stick to a theme for 24 hours. I bet your firm were glad to see the back of you if your behaviour at work is mirrored here.
 
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Now this is rather funny. It seems like you were saying quite the reverse yesterday.



I don't think I would trust you to sell a bog to a builder either. You aren't trustworthy enough stick to a theme for 24 hours. I bet your firm were glad to see the back of you if your behaviour at work is mirrored here.
You really are a repulsive piece of work aren't you?

My job was to sort out the messes left by people with your atttitude, and here you have demonstrated why it was so necessary to do so!
Pity the customer if they have you to deal with if anything goes wrong

What a wonderful advertisment for yourself you really are not.
Buyer Beware
 

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50Hertz

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You really are a repulsive piece of work aren't you?

My job was to sort out the messes left by people with your atttitude, and here you have demonstrated why it was so necessary to do so!
Pity the customer if they have you to deal with if anything goes wrong

What a wonderful advertisment for yourself you really are not.
Buyer Beware
I can’t communicate with you. I’ve never encountered anything like you or JA before and I was fascinated and morbidly interested. A bit like when you know you shouldn’t look, but can’t help doing so. Anyway, I have looked, I’m horrified and now wish I hadn’t. I don’t trust you, you are a dishonest person so we will leave the subject of the construction industry there.
 
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Have you any idea how wearisome that incoherent sniping is?. At least when Tommie from NI makes a point, it usually is somewhere on topic,and displays an intelligence. .
 
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Have you any idea how wearisome that incoherent sniping is?. At least when Tommie from NI makes a point, it usually is somewhere on topic,and displays an intelligence. .
You are right, I dislike it intensely and I am annoyed with myself for being drawn in.

What’s your opinion on the latest Airbus statement? Is it a political manoeuvre to apply pressure on the government to take No Deal off the table or are they deadly serious?

It’s this sort of job loss potential which has pushed me over the halfway line onto the Remain side.
 

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I can’t communicate with you. I’ve never encountered anything like you or JA before and I was fascinated and morbidly interested. A bit like when you know you shouldn’t look, but can’t help doing so. Anyway, I have looked, I’m horrified and now wish I hadn’t. I don’t trust you, you are a dishonest person so we will leave the subject of the construction industry there.
Thank goodness for that at least, as to your opinion, of me, it matters not at all
 
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Have you any idea how wearisome that incoherent sniping is?. At least when Tommie from NI makes a point, it usually is somewhere on topic,and displays an intelligence. .
You are right of course (about the sniping anyway)
 
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Back on thread and from todays RTE (our version of the BBC)...

The European Parliament's Brexit group has said it would not approve a withdrawal agreement that did not contain a "backstop" provision to avoid a hard border in Ireland.

The parliament's Brexit Steering Group, chaired by Guy Verhofstadt, "reiterated that the withdrawal agreement is fair and cannot be re-negotiated. This applies especially to the backstop ... without such an 'all-weather' backstop-insurance, the European Parliament will not give its consent to the withdrawal agreement."

The European Parliament must give its consent to any final Brexit deal between the EU and the UK.

"The EU remains clear, firm and united on this even if the negotiated backstop is not meant to be used," the Brexit Steering Group statement said.

Earlier, the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, said that backstop could not be time-limited

He also insisted it would be "legally impossible" for the UK to forge a separate treaty with Ireland to govern the border following EU withdrawal.

Last night, Downing Street said it believed there would be a need to advance discussions with the Irish Government on avoiding a hard border.

Speaking to Germany's Deutschlandfunk radio during a visit to Berlin for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel this morning, Michel Barnier restated his position that there can be no time limit on the proposed backstop arrangement to keep the border open after Brexit.

"Such insurance cannot be limited," said Mr Barnie

"Imagine that you have house insurance and it suddenly becomes temporary. Nobody would sign up for that. And then at some point a misfortune happens and you have no insurance. No, this insurance may not be limited in time."

Mr Barnier said that "self-evidently" the EU would have to be able to conduct checks on goods coming from Northern Ireland after Brexit, but said that Brussels remained committed to avoiding a hard border.

The solidarity of the EU27 with Ireland will remain "steadfast" throughout remaining negotiations, he added.

And he brushed off any separate deal between the UK and Ireland: "What you are proposing here is legally impossible, because this border between the United Kingdom and Ireland is not only a border between the two countries, but it is the border with Germany, it is the border with France, with the Netherlands, with Poland, and indeed with the entire internal market.

"No, legally it is not possible to separate that from each other."

nothing moves, if no positive suggestions are put on the table, then we will be heading for a more or less bumpy or accidental no-deal on March 30."

He added: "I hope now that in this dialogue with the parties of her country which she has begun, both with her own majority and with the opposition parties, Mrs May will find a way to find a positive majority in support of this treaty to start an orderly withdrawal."

Mr Barnier played down suggestions that the two-year Article 50 process ought to be extended to allow more time for negotiations, saying: "I personally believe that we do not need so much more time, but that we now need to make decisions, to be taken by the British government and the Parliament of Great Britain."

He said the EU would respond if Theresa May amended her "red lines", which include leaving the customs union and single market and the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

"If anything moves on the British side with those red lines, yes, then we're ready to talk about it," he said.

"I hope this happens, and that is possible.
 
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Mine does. I am ignoring a RN (retired) battery "expert" with much success.

Click on your username
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Thanks, looks like they've got it installed again.

Still no "Ignore Threads" function which we formerly had.
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You are right, I dislike it intensely and I am annoyed with myself for being drawn in.

What’s your opinion on the latest Airbus statement? Is it a political manoeuvre to apply pressure on the government to take No Deal off the table or are they deadly serious?

It’s this sort of job loss potential which has pushed me over the halfway line onto the Remain side.
Again all of these points were raised before, and by other major companies . Seriously these things were known even in advance . The only puzzling point,is why the CEO of Airbus waited until now for a public statement. . I can only assume he and others have been discussing these things again and again with senior civil servants , over the last two years,and realises now that they are not being listened to. People in his position hate having to make public statements of a political nature.
While he refers to a mere 14000 jobs..his direct responsibility, the ramifications are much greater than that. These are manufacturing jobs,and linked with each there is an entire logistics network .
 
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oldgroaner

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Back on thread and from todays RTE (our version of the BBC)...

The European Parliament's Brexit group has said it would not approve a withdrawal agreement that did not contain a "backstop" provision to avoid a hard border in Ireland.

The parliament's Brexit Steering Group, chaired by Guy Verhofstadt, "reiterated that the withdrawal agreement is fair and cannot be re-negotiated. This applies especially to the backstop ... without such an 'all-weather' backstop-insurance, the European Parliament will not give its consent to the withdrawal agreement."

The European Parliament must give its consent to any final Brexit deal between the EU and the UK.

"The EU remains clear, firm and united on this even if the negotiated backstop is not meant to be used," the Brexit Steering Group statement said.

Earlier, the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, said that backstop could not be time-limited

He also insisted it would be "legally impossible" for the UK to forge a separate treaty with Ireland to govern the border following EU withdrawal.

Last night, Downing Street said it believed there would be a need to advance discussions with the Irish Government on avoiding a hard border.

Speaking to Germany's Deutschlandfunk radio during a visit to Berlin for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel this morning, Michel Barnier restated his position that there can be no time limit on the proposed backstop arrangement to keep the border open after Brexit.

"Such insurance cannot be limited," said Mr Barnie

"Imagine that you have house insurance and it suddenly becomes temporary. Nobody would sign up for that. And then at some point a misfortune happens and you have no insurance. No, this insurance may not be limited in time."

Mr Barnier said that "self-evidently" the EU would have to be able to conduct checks on goods coming from Northern Ireland after Brexit, but said that Brussels remained committed to avoiding a hard border.

The solidarity of the EU27 with Ireland will remain "steadfast" throughout remaining negotiations, he added.

And he brushed off any separate deal between the UK and Ireland: "What you are proposing here is legally impossible, because this border between the United Kingdom and Ireland is not only a border between the two countries, but it is the border with Germany, it is the border with France, with the Netherlands, with Poland, and indeed with the entire internal market.

"No, legally it is not possible to separate that from each other."

nothing moves, if no positive suggestions are put on the table, then we will be heading for a more or less bumpy or accidental no-deal on March 30."

He added: "I hope now that in this dialogue with the parties of her country which she has begun, both with her own majority and with the opposition parties, Mrs May will find a way to find a positive majority in support of this treaty to start an orderly withdrawal."

Mr Barnier played down suggestions that the two-year Article 50 process ought to be extended to allow more time for negotiations, saying: "I personally believe that we do not need so much more time, but that we now need to make decisions, to be taken by the British government and the Parliament of Great Britain."

He said the EU would respond if Theresa May amended her "red lines", which include leaving the customs union and single market and the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

"If anything moves on the British side with those red lines, yes, then we're ready to talk about it," he said.

"I hope this happens, and that is possible.
I predicted that fear would drive them to accept Mrs May's deal, it seems impossible, but still the temptation must still be there.
And they are running out of time and under great pressure fro the business sector
 
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Again all of these points were raised before, and by other major companies . Seriously these things were known even in advance . The only puzzling point,is why the CEO of Airbus waited until now for a public statement. . I can only assume he and others have been discussing these things again and again with senior civil servants , over the last two years,and realises now that they are not being listened to. People in his position hate having to make public statements of a political nature.
While he refers to a mere 4000 jobs..his direct responsibility, the ramifications are much greater than that. These are manufacturing jobs,and linked with each there is an entire logistics network .

He's made plenty in the past year or so. We've chatted about it on here.

As it stands it's accepted we make the best wings in the world. We make more for Boeing than Airbus in actual fact.

I'm not saying he is trying to whip up trouble and add pressure on behalf of the EU but he is trying to whip up trouble and add pressure on behalf of the EU.

He does have a point though. And I do think the EU really wants a hard Brexit as it stands. No country's government could sign what is on the table. It really would be a fatal mistake for years to come.
 
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