Brexit, for once some facts.
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As someone,without a natural gift for languages, I am grateful to Latin,as it enabled me attend University... At that time there was a requirement to have two languages in addition to English. My approach was to tackle it as one would a computer algorithm.
I've kinda made my peace with OG. Plus he does at least make some attempt to say something intelligent from time to time.
Jonathan on the other hand.......
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You're right. Too much free time travelling on trains today, so can't really take up any of your suggestions. They really are impossible, everything you say gets twisted. I wasn't really sure what a troll is, but having looked it up, they are a perfect fit.
In my school I was in the first year ever to be allowed to NOT take Latin. I chose not to. Did French instead. Didn't much enjoy that either.
Sounds a good idea. Given that Jacob Rees Mogg has in the last few months changed from bitterly opposed to May's Deal to being conditionally prepared to agree to it, another couple of years and he'll be a staunch Remainer.
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Yes. It all gets twisted. Whatever good intentions you had - are swept away and even your protestations of innocence are used as evidence of your guilt!!!!! It's a total mind-****.
If you're on a train then go to the buffet car. Or listen to your ipod. Or read something on your kindle. Or gaze out the window. That's one thing I love about trains.
For my sins I've been banned from driving rather too many times - so I was forced to use the things (and get an electric bike hence my attendance here) - and ended up loving them.
Particularly gazing. Gazing out the windows of trains is a much under-rated activity.
not as silly as it seems.
If parliament blocks no deal and WTO, he will have to choose between TM's deal and no brexit.
He will say that May's deal is worse than no brexit, which in itself is obvious at many angles. There is the £39 billion bill and customs union in the backstop.
He only has to wait a year and kick her out of No 10. It's not as if she has many supporters.
Once he sits in No 10, A50 can be re-triggered at anytime without worrying about legitimacy.
I will try one last time.
I am trying to run a business on a ad-hoc basis. I am actually retired and have spent my working life in finance. I am not a builder but I am well organised and can co-ordinate projects pretty well.
When I see a building or plot of land that interests me and I think is within my capability to develop I will have a go at buying it. Sometimes I'm successful, sometimes I am not.
If I secure a suitable site, I break the tasks down and invite tenders. I don't approach people down the pub for a bit of cash in hand, go to registered traders and firms with history / recommendations. Quite a few I have built up a relationship with over a short period of time.
If their quote is competitive, I use them. It's very simple. I don't know what the problem is. I am as sure as I can be that the guys who work for larger companies are treated fairly, the sole traders I am more certain of. In truth, I can't be 100% certain what their personal circumstances are like, they seem happy on site and we have a good rapport.
The original point I was making is that the Polish guys are prepared to work for less than the British tradesmen. What is a low wage in the UK economy is a good one to the polish guy. The money goes a long way when he goes back to Poland with his earnings. He would need to work much longer and much harder in Poland to achieve the same financial outcome. It is the disparity and incompatibility of the two economies which makes this so. It disadvantages the UK workers by driving down their wages and it's wrong.
That's all I have to say. If you can't understand that I give up on you.
I know it's a lost cause. The stupid thing is that this thread is irrelevant in the real world. It changes absolutely nothing.
I have found it to be a fascinating insight into the sheer intransigence of some people and the ease with which they will lie when the game is cup for them. Others I find have interesting views and opinions which differ considerably from mine, or I have never thought about. That I like and I suppose it's what has hooked me into this thread.
Can I extend that a little. The British have seriously undermined the value of engineering trades,..that was a sub thread here for a while. The quality of top grade academic work in the UK is world class,but the quality of apprenticeship has lagged behind,or even regressed.
Those Polish workers have come through old fashioned apprenticeships, built up on the classic German model from 1900 ,and it works!.
Those same Polish workers are prepared to slum it in over crowded digs etc, and send the majority of thrir earnings back home,knowing that they will only endure it for a few years, and then return to what will appear the height of luxury. Those same Poles come from a tradition of excellence and history as least as old as the British traditions. In time ,and not much longer, the cost of living in Poland will equal that of more western states and their infrastructure will grow accordingly. In short order the Poles will be replaced with Romanians, and the cycle continues.
How do I know, well I sit on a panel vetting engineering entrants into professional engineering and read perhaps 30 CVs a month. ( Many obviously in translation)
Fair comment there by and large, but this thread is not irrelevant, it is part of a much wider interest in the issue that can influence events outside our little circle, and it keeps the staff at Menwith Hill and GCHQ entertained on those long "Dog watch" nights they have to sit through.
Your notion that this thread is a non event is not likely to be true.
Our purpose was to bring facts to the discussion, and the fact that we have attracted half a dozen Hangers on intent on disrupting the discussion proves they cerainly don't think their effort is wasted.
The inescapable facts that have emerged are as follows
No one has so far been able to argue effectively that Brexit will benefit the people either in the short, mid, or long term.
Every single champion of the Leave campaign has proved to be a liar and made false promises
The thread had exceeded a Million hits by November last year and there have been so far #45212 posts so there is a level of interest beyond the members who correspond.
They in turn will discuss the points among their circle of friends...
And for your information the EU is pushing for the following
https://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/news/brussels-to-push-for-eu-wide-minimum-wage/
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Brussels to push for EU-wide minimum wage
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Spot on that. Polish workers are fantastic and the majority are very nice trustworthy people. I like them al lot.
you yourself don't listen to opposing arguments any way.
We are one member out of the 28.
They have already taken away most of the subjects that this country can veto.
How much decision power and influence will we have in the club?
Oh you have to know this thread has NO IMPACT on the world WHATSOEVER! So why stick around? Who knows. It's fun. Or it can be. Plus from time to time you do listen to something that changes the way you think about the subject. It doesn't happen very often but I have to admit it has happened from time to time.....
Just watch it when you get so sucked in you get that revenge is a dish best served cold feeling.
Odd that after I mentioned the almost unknown power of prorogue on the 16th of January as a way out of the Brexit impasse, Jacob Rees Mogg has just presented it as an idea for the same purpose. As an MP he will no doubt have researchers, as does his ERG, so who knows what they trip over online in their BREXIT searches.
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