Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

I'm quite pleased to have triggered the trolls on the thread. the fact that it makes them display their limited vocabulary and intellect to the world is a bonus.

Tom. You got so wound up you had to leave and come back with a different name.

I can do it to you again if you carry on.

Now pipe down and stop pretending you’re something you’re not. You’re a grown man who got so upset he had to leave. On a forum for electric bikes. Which you do not even own.

As a troll you’re the worst. And that’s not praise.

 

[flecc]

Queenie has subtly indicated her preference which way she would like things to go....

I don't know quite what to think from that.

Is it EU blue or Tory Blue?

If Tory blue, are the yellow spots indicating a preference for another Tory/LibDem coalition?
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[Fingers]

Fair comment there by and large, but this thread is not irrelevant, it is part of a much wider interest in the issue that can influence events outside our little circle, and it keeps the staff at Menwith Hill and GCHQ entertained on those long "Dog watch" nights they have to sit through.
Your notion that this thread is a non event is not likely to be true.

Our purpose was to bring facts to the discussion, and the fact that we have attracted half a dozen Hangers on intent on disrupting the discussion proves they cerainly don't think their effort is wasted.
The inescapable facts that have emerged are as follows

No one has so far been able to argue effectively that Brexit will benefit the people either in the short, mid, or long term.

Every single champion of the Leave campaign has proved to be a liar and made false promises

The thread had exceeded a Million hits by November last year and there have been so far #45212 posts so there is a level of interest beyond the members who correspond.
They in turn will discuss the points among their circle of friends...
And for your information the EU is pushing for the following
https://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/news/brussels-to-push-for-eu-wide-minimum-wage/
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Brussels to push for EU-wide minimum wage

So we’ve gone from a regular million viewers to the funny people from GCHQ monitoring this thread in the hope of finding a solution to Brexit!

Amirite?

You are so endearing. If you wasn’t such a rude old man you would be like an internet version of Clive Dunn.

GCHQ....brilliant

 

[flecc]

On a forum for electric bikes. Which you do not even own.

If Jonathan really is OldTom, on which I have little idea, you are very wrong since he does own e-bikes and has posted many times on the subject.

This link gives some detail, plenty more like it.
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[Fingers]

If Jonathan really is OldTom, on which I have little idea, yoiu are very wrong since he does own e-bikes and has posted many times on the subject.

This link gives some detail, plenty more like it.
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I’m not interested in reading that bigots old posts Flecc.

Point is. It is Tom. He does own ebikes. And does know this forum, aggers on the other hand doesn’t own ebikes. He just found this forum by chance....Then found this thread the same day joined....He is a fervent socialist. Obsessed with Hitler. Constantly insults. Hates British people. Ignores facts, generally acts the fool and every post contains the word troll.

Remind you of anyone?

How long before he slings his hook this time? He is known for flouncing and lying. By today’s posts he must have run out of lies....

 

[50Hertz]

Tom. You got so wound up you had to leave and come back with a different name.

I can do it to you again if you carry on.

Now pipe down and stop pretending you’re something you’re not. You’re a grown man who got so upset he had to leave. On a forum for electric bikes. Which you do not even own.

As a troll you’re the worst. And that’s not praise.

I could not have put it better. That man is poison.

 

[50Hertz]

Tom. You got so wound up you had to leave and come back with a different name.

That’s one of the saddest things I’ve heard today. If that is the case, I actually feel sorry for him and wish I’d not got involved with him this morning.

 

[Zlatan]

I will try one last time.

I am trying to run a business on a ad-hoc basis. I am actually retired and have spent my working life in finance. I am not a builder but I am well organised and can co-ordinate projects pretty well.

When I see a building or plot of land that interests me and I think is within my capability to develop I will have a go at buying it. Sometimes I'm successful, sometimes I am not.

If I secure a suitable site, I break the tasks down and invite tenders. I don't approach people down the pub for a bit of cash in hand, go to registered traders and firms with history / recommendations. Quite a few I have built up a relationship with over a short period of time.

If their quote is competitive, I use them. It's very simple. I don't know what the problem is. I am as sure as I can be that the guys who work for larger companies are treated fairly, the sole traders I am more certain of. In truth, I can't be 100% certain what their personal circumstances are like, they seem happy on site and we have a good rapport.

The original point I was making is that the Polish guys are prepared to work for less than the British tradesmen. What is a low wage in the UK economy is a good one to the polish guy. The money goes a long way when he goes back to Poland with his earnings. He would need to work much longer and much harder in Poland to achieve the same financial outcome. It is the disparity and incompatibility of the two economies which makes this so. It disadvantages the UK workers by driving down their wages and it's wrong.

That's all I have to say. If you can't understand that I give up on you.

How on earth can anyone disagree with this post. Robdon that is beyond pathetic.

 

[Woosh]

today's good read:

"Brexit has already been cancelled - and here's why they're not telling you"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-already-been-cancelled-heres-13896286

"That's why I haven't written my memoirs yet !"

 

[50Hertz]

How on earth can anyone disagree with this post. Robdon that is beyond pathetic.

I’ve noticed that Robdon gives a lot of negatives to posts. He seems to side with Old G and Jonathan Agnew a lot, so I guess he shares their socialist leaning view point.

I am not going to slate socialism because the idea of fairness across society is appealing. It’s just when people like OG Robdon and Agnew blindly disagree with and twist everything people say, it’s very off putting and does image of socialism no favours.

 

[Zlatan]

today's good read:

"Brexit has already been cancelled - and here's why they're not telling you"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-already-been-cancelled-heres-13896286

"That's why I haven't written my memoirs yet !"

It is a good article but rather like walking out of pictures 10 minutes before credits roll up....It didnt have an end, a conclusion, it just added to the mystery of Brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

you yourself don't listen to opposing arguments any way.
We are one member out of the 28.
They have already taken away most of the subjects that this country can veto.
How much decision power and influence will we have in the club?

What opposing arguments? so far there haven't been any!
We have already agreed to all the subjects you suggest they "Have taken away" and if you look at the list of the tiny percentage we disagreed with, we should not have!

And as to the rest, how much power and decision did we deserve with the coterie of idiots we fielded as MEP's who were sent there on a sabotage mission?

 

[oldgroaner]

I’ve noticed that Robdon gives a lot of negatives to posts. He seems to side with Old G and Jonathan Agnew a lot, so I guess he shares their socialist leaning view point.

I am not going to slate socialism because the idea of fairness across society is appealing. It’s just when people like OG Robdon and Agnew blindly disagree with and twist everything people say, it’s very off putting and does image of socialism no favours.

Hey come off it!
We are not the ones "Slanting" things, nice reversal of reality you have there, the right wing press and trolls on here do that.
Apparently if you post something Brexiteers disagree with it is automatically "slanted" but their blatant lies are not?
Nice try, but not original
For instance you claimed I twisted this

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/sony-leave-london-hq-amsterdam-brexit-disruption/
EU based Sony spokesperson Takashi Iida said Sony is a “company based in the EU” and common customs rules will continue to apply to its European operations. It must therefore be based in an EU state. In a statement Mr Takashi said the move would mean “we can continue our business as usual without disruption once the UK leaves the EU. All our existing European business functions, facilities, departments, sites and location of our people will remain unchanged from today.”
Why did it have it's headquarters here if it is an EU based oranisation?
And you fail to see the writing on the wall?
What's left here is on notice from that date and that is obvious
That you disagree is your fault, not mine, and in no way had I twisted it.

And then we have Dyson who claims he is going to Singapore to "Future proof his company" how fortunate for him that Singapore has an FTA with the EU giving him Tariff free access, isn't it?

Am I twisting that too? this "Champion of Brexit

What a joke!

 

[Woosh]

We have already agreed to all the subjects you suggest they "Have taken away" and if you look at the list of the tiny percentage we disagreed with, we should not have!

that was in the past. The sphere of competency of the EU has grown over the years.
Our influence is diminishing fast since 2000.
More integration means less influence for us, not more.
It's up to each one of us to think where power should be, in Westminster or in Brussels.

 

[Zlatan]

I’ve noticed that Robdon gives a lot of negatives to posts. He seems to side with Old G and Jonathan Agnew a lot, so I guess he shares their socialist leaning view point.

I am not going to slate socialism because the idea of fairness across society is appealing. It’s just when people like OG Robdon and Agnew blindly disagree with and twist everything people say, it’s very off putting and does image of socialism no favours.

I, ve been saying same about Corbyn for months...
Tom, Robdon and OG arent actually socialists. They just like to spout what they think represents socialism. Well 2 of them do. Robdin hasnt figured out his keyboard yet.
There was a steange post from OG where he said "OG proved you to be a liar". I wonder if that was an ID error???
Its not a phrase anyone would use when speaking of themselves. Come on OG, whats going on.??

 

[tommie]

Nice one Leo - you`re handling this extremely well !

Brexit: Border control could move to Europe
By Juno McEnroe
Political Correspondent

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has told opposition leaders there is a “risk” border checks in a no-deal Brexit could be operated in France or the Netherlands as opposed to on the island of Ireland.
In a private meeting with party leaders yesterday evening, Mr Varadkar and his department secretary general John Callinan said the EU could move control of any needed border away from Ireland and onto the continent.

more here -> https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/--899440.html

and with this comment i have to concur with some of the talk that`s been heard these parts.

"The way Ireland has been behaving, about the only certainty it's on course for is that quite a lot of British consumers are going to boycott its products and not be well-disposed to employing its citizens. Mr Varadkar has made a good impression with his EU masters but a terrible one with British people. He needs to get his act together, and quickly. "

 

[Zlatan]

that was in the past. The sphere of competency of the EU has grown over the years.
Our influence is diminishing fast since 2000.
More integration means less influence for us, not more.
It's up to each one of us to think where power should be, in Westminster or in Brussels.

No, OG will not think about that. He, ll either deny your theory or state EU, with not a jot of thought or consideration.

 

[anotherkiwi]

today's good read:

"Brexit has already been cancelled - and here's why they're not telling you"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-already-been-cancelled-heres-13896286

"That's why I haven't written my memoirs yet !"

You mean he can write? When did he learn that? Did a class come included in the obscene price of his gypsy caravan?

 

[50Hertz]

I, ve been saying same about Corbyn for months...
Tom, Robdon and OG arent actually socialists. They just like to spout what they think represents socialism. Well 2 of them do. Robdin hasnt figured out his keyboard yet.
There was a steange post from OG where he said "OG proved you to be a liar". I wonder if that was an ID error???
Its not a phrase anyone would use when speaking of themselves. Come on OG, whats going on.??

I actually noticed that. Very strange, almost like he forgot which user ID he was logged in under. I’m not accusing him of anything, but it does seem very odd behaviour to reply to your own post in such a way. Oh dear, what have I gone & said.

 

[anotherkiwi]

"The way Ireland has been behaving, about the only certainty it's on course for is that quite a lot of British consumers are going to boycott its products and not be well-disposed to employing its citizens. Mr Varadkar has made a good impression with his EU masters but a terrible one with British people. He needs to get his act together, and quickly. "

Oh yes please! We should be getting more delicious organic Irish beef not you lot!