People still want to leave and I would say in the majority but the establishment has ground them down as we all know they would.
You can't really get change. Even if you vote for it.
We do not live in a democracy.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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People still want to leave and I would say in the majority but the establishment has ground them down as we all know they would.
You can't really get change. Even if you vote for it.
We do not live in a democracy.
But we've got those rules now, benefits not immediately given, despite what some think. In addition we can expel those who don't get themselves into work.
They are EU rules and there's nothing wrong with them. The problem is that we don't implement them, our fault.
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I don't want to be part of the rest of it and pay for it. I don't want their rules.
I want out.
Those who are bored with brexit.there are many of those,should vote Remain because any other vote will keep this going for many years.
Does anyone know what the hard line Tory Brexiteers have over the PM,she seems frightened to go against the ERG....there are only 50 of them,hardly a majority of the Tory party. It is that group who are stopping us going for a sensible soft Brexit.
Major called them the bastards,Cameron called the referendum to try to neutralise them and now May seems frightened of them.
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Gove made a remark in his recent speech which makes you wonder where his, and other's true loyalties lie, proudly stating that he and someone he mentioned in the opposition were members of "Friends of Israel"
How can this be? he is an MP who's entire loyalty should be to this country alone not carrying a torch for another state, no matter what it's politics.
The question becomes how many of them belong to "Friends of Russia" too? or "China?"
We have seen myriads of secret little societies these MP's of all parties share their loyalty with.
Time we established Sovereignty over our Mps and took back control.
And I am not joking.
Whether you voted leave or remain makes no difference
parliament is representing the people only when it suits, it is someone elses property.
How can this be? he is an MP who's entire loyalty should be to this country alone not carrying a torch for another state, no matter what it's politics.
The question becomes how many of them belong to "Friends of Russia" too? or "China?"
We have seen myriads of secret little societies these MP's of all parties share their loyalty with.
Time we established Sovereignty over our Mps and took back control.
And I am not joking.
Whether you voted leave or remain makes no difference
parliament is representing the people only when it suits, it is someone elses property.
there are only 50 of them as you said, but their view is supported by more than 60% of conservative membership, that's what worries TM, DC and any future conservative party leader(s).
leaving the EU does not harm the very many small businesses, more than a million of them, their owners form the backbone of conservative membership.
I, myself, stand to benefit financially from the UK leaving the EU but I know leaving comes with a cost for the country.
i see Corbyn the Clown has sent a letter to all his MP's telling them not to talk to the Gov unless she takes no deal off the table. So he wants to remove the only bargaining chip we have. I can just see Juncker and co rubbing their hands in glee. In the words of Delboy ' What a plonker'
Finger's you are living under an illusion
They are not "Their Rules"
They are "Our Rules"
None of them have been imposed upon us, and we have been pary to forming the all through the EU parliament
You may not like "our rules" but that is your choice, are you imagining they will be better when we leave?
No guarantee of that, in fact quite the opposite.
You must like suffering for some reason.
Come off it, you remind me of Brian London's remark to Harry Carpenter after the Ali fight when he said
"I had him worried in the third round!"
Carpenter gasped "How on earth did you think that?"
London
"He thought he'd killed me!"
A no deal Brexit would be the equivalent of playing Russian Roulette with all the chambers loaded on a revolver
Only a complete idiot would try using that as a threat!
By the way this was last September
And May turned him down, what's your next daft comment?
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The PM should really become a terrorist, maybe murder and slaughter a few innocents....
bet he`d be over in a shot..!!!
yes, but may be not because they find JC ' What a plonker'.
JC makes TM's job of winning back the votes of most ERG members easier and the EU needs TM to win.
Leaving with No Deal is different from leaving with Canada+ that the current deal allows.
By ruling out No Deal as the least supported option, TM strengthens support for Canada+ deal, making it a more viable option without weakening the brexit camp.
But your second vote influences thoughts on first.
For example I would never vote leave to have no deal.
On the other hand fingers would never vote leave to have Mays deal. So once again your vote is biased towards remain.
Its a crazy idea and will never be offered, fortunatrly. And yes, I understood your premise, its not complicated is it.
Either interpretation is flawed. Nobody would now vote leave without knowing what that now meant.its the essence of the entire last 2 years arguing, which somehow seems to have slipped your mind.
"I know, I will vote leave without knowing wether its no deal or May's deal". Come on Woosh wake up dear boy. Not like you at all?
I guess most leavers wouldn't mind whichever way the UK leaves the EU but some may hesitate before ticking 'no deal'.
Anyway, TM knows full well that she has to be seen to be forced into making a concession to JC's demand and JC needs to be seen to win concession from TM.
Parliament is not going to let the UK leave without a deal.
Tommie, you should really take a history course before trying this sort on nonsense on
How about answering a couple of questions?
- Was it Corbyn who sold arms and was filmed shaking hands with Menachim Begin, a man who planned and took part in murdering more than eighty British Subjects?
- Who is selling arms for the Saudi's to kill innocent people in Yemen?
Answer to both questions Theresa May not Jeremy Corbyn
Tommie you need to stop trying to score points over things you fail utterly to understand.
Corbyn worked for peace, not to profit from war.
Remain would win in another referendum but the turnout would be far less than last time
making it a very hollow victory.
making it a very hollow victory.
I had never listened to Gove speak prior to watching that link, so thanks for posting.
You can't deny that he is an excellent communicator and he tore Corbyn to apart. When the camera panned across the Labour benches, I thought, "What the hell has happened to Labour? The party membership has been obliterated and replaced characters suited only to cleaning toilets." That Labour woman who was wailing like a banshee needs to learn some basic manners and conduct before she is allowed out in public. What a disgrace.
I view Gove in a new light. A very impressive orator cable of conducting himself with dignity.
Thanks for posting.
Yes Tommie might be OTT with his comment, he is obviously talking metaphorically, not literally and he has a point.
Corbyn has bern absolutely stupid and IMHO has put party politics and his own ambitions way before country. Even Attlee joined forces with Churchill in 1940...
Plus Corbyn, being the misguided idealist he is, throws away our only bargaining chip, no deal, which is all it is. Its the same barmy stance he has taken on defence. (keep Trident replacement with all its costs etc etc but proclaim to world at large he would never ever use it. Utter stupidity. Thats like deciding to keep a big angry guard dog, feeding it, walking it, cleaning up after it but come night time when it should be doing its job you muzzle it, chain it to wall and then tell whole neighbourhood what you, ve done. Suppose then after getting burgled he, d say I told you that dog was no good. The man is a complete and utter liability. He looked a disaster yesterday and even Gove managed to make him look stupid. Now that does take some doing.
Gove was very impressive yesterday. He wants to be next PM... Rather him than Corbyn..
I think a lot would. I, d vote remain definitely if I thought we were heading no deal. Fingers would vote remain if he thought it would be May's. So extrapolate that sample from here and it would swing to remain by a massive margin.
Besides, we, d never know which wouldnt help the rift..
I agree. I did have some respect for Corbyn, particular when he didn’t buckle to the tabloid newspaper bullying tactics. But, I think he is showing his true character regarding the current Brexit farce. I’m not liking what I’m seeing.
