leave of course, where is the problem with that?
And begin a campaign to rejoin the EU
Boris had the right idea once upon a time
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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And begin a campaign to rejoin the EU
Boris had the right idea once upon a time
I wonder why Ostend would even begin to make changes for something that they have co concrete assurances will even happen?
Brexit has degenerated into a "Damage limitation" excercise to placate a section of the public that voted in ignorance of the consequences.
What happened to the high hopes of change for the better the Brexit Voters were expecting?
Can anyone answer that?
What happened to the high hopes of change for the better the Brexit Voters were expecting?
Can anyone answer that?
The vote was to place a restraint against abuse of parliament by the government. Merely an amendment to a bill, so hardly comparing with the import of Brexit.
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and a proof that the majority of MPs are against a no deal brexit.
now is there a majority for some other form of brexit?
if one could eliminate one form of brexit at a time this way, then the only course of action left is to delay A50 for another year.
By then, voters will be sick of the B word.
I still have high hopes of a change for the better, you may call it ignorance, i don't.
Perhaps you can explain on what basis?
What improvements are you expecting, and who and what will cause them to happen?
That's the problem, we would all like to see "improvements" but there needs to be a lot more than merely hoping something good will come out of Brexit considering the high risks involved.
You haven't even said what these "improvements" are going to be.
Its not very convincing, is it?
When the referendum took place people voted in ignorance of the consequences.
Since then most promises made have proved false and incompetence revealed, so to still support Brexit, I don't call that ignorance either
I call it unjustifiable optimism, with no evidence to support it
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it's a bit like moving house.
you may enjoy a change of what you see through the windows when you get up in the morning.
The coffee may taste better.
Then you find the place needs rewiring and there's a damp patch when it rains. Probably in the one room that had recently been decorated.
ah,, the joy of brexit!
joking aside, many voters would like a general reset in our country. The EU favours the mobile workers, the sharky employers, the big companies, the big governments etc
Gosh, I begin thinking like JC!
There's a plan remember,but they can't reveal it without giving away our negotiating position.
(or something along those lines)
is that Chris Grayling on the poster?
he should be made Brexit Secretary! We could do with a laugh, Stephen Barclay is too sensible for this job.
he should be made Brexit Secretary! We could do with a laugh, Stephen Barclay is too sensible for this job.
Hey guys- You might get a laugh from this Yes Minister clip from a few decades ago........
Says all we need to know about the Civil Service attitude.
Cheers, Tony
Cheers, Tony
Assuming the availability of coffee of course, or milk, or whatever else you put in it.
Backs up many of the arguments we have made on here!
Particularly my post #43,728
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And in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/21/tories-conservatives-eu-enlargement-bulgaria
In the early 1990s, when John Major was at war with his party over Europe, there was one issue on which, broadly speaking, he found common ground with the Eurosceptics. It was EU enlargement. Supporting expansion to incorporate the former communist nations of central and eastern Europe was the golden scenario.
"Wider, rather than deeper" was the catchphrase. By expanding eastwards – so the Tories believed – the European Union would become so big that political union would be impossible. A bigger EU would evolve into a looser union of free trading nation states, with weaker institutions at its centre. It was the way to put the brake on Franco-German and Benelux ambitions for ever closer union, while widening the internal market and promoting stability between east and west. The vision of Europe that Margaret Thatcher had outlined in her Bruges speech in 1988 would come into being.
In this as in everything else they have done, the Conservatives made a complete hash of it.
That Video is actually more of a Documentary than a comedy item!
I can't offer any evidence of my optimism, i'm not even trying to convince any one of brexit being an improvement. You and many others on here are obviously a lot more intelligent than i am and can write pages about the pros and cons of brexit but still feel the need to insult people from behind a keyboard. Why?
Hang on there! who has insulted you?
There is just far too much animosity regarding brexit, and it seems to have infected this thread too which is a pity; although we may disagree on brexit, we come here to help each other and receive advice.
I personally voted to leave, but I respect the other side's opinions and would not dream of deriding their beliefs.
Let's face it, nobody can see into the future, so whatever happens is unknowable to all of us, we are all just speculating as to what we think may happen. Why don't we all just wait and see.
I personally voted to leave, but I respect the other side's opinions and would not dream of deriding their beliefs.
Let's face it, nobody can see into the future, so whatever happens is unknowable to all of us, we are all just speculating as to what we think may happen. Why don't we all just wait and see.
Sorry, it wasn't directed at you personally and i didn't say anyone had insulted me personally, i am on about the insults thrown about generally on this thread. How many of those insults would be said face to face? It seems there is enough intelligent comments on here, without having to use insults.