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oldtom

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it's a bit of an exaggeration.
There was no good reason to ask MPs to vote today after her debate with JC was cancelled before the weekend.
I have to disagree with that part of your post and I think most of the HofC would agree with me.

May is a desperate woman and there is no depth to which she will not go to try and remain in an office to which she is singularly unsuited.

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DUP policy is to support Leave though, despite N.I . voting Remain.
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Which DUP? The nasty backward one that is supported by terrorist organisations or the pink fairy nice gentle open minded one that tommie votes for?
 

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DUP policy is to support Leave though, despite N.I . voting Remain.
their priority is to protect their access to the UK's single market.
Nigel Dodds has made this point clearly a few times.
He would rather choose the UK wide regulatory regime than the special status of 80% UK, 20% EU.
 

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I have to disagree with that part of your post and I think most of the HofC would agree with me.

May is a desperate woman and there is no depth to which she will not go to try and remain in an office to which she is singularly unsuited.

Tom
she tries her best to reflect the 52/48 in her cabinet and although she was foolish in declaring her redlines so early on, she is by far the best leader that the tories have at the moment.
Without her, tories MPs would rather burn most bridges with the EU.
 

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their priority is to protect their access to the UK's single market.
Nigel Dodds has made this point clearly a few times.
He would rather choose the UK wide regulatory regime than the special status of 80% UK, 20% EU.
There was a slight misquote on a rte news bulletin last night which referred to him as Nigel Dodge before being corrected....
 

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she tries her best to reflect the 52/48 in her cabinet and although she was foolish in declaring her redlines so early on, she is by far the best leader that the tories have at the moment.
Without her, tories MPs would rather burn most bridges with the EU.
Best leader? compared with what? come to think of it, apart from herself, who what or whom, is she leader of?
Is No leader better than a bad leader?,remarkably she has managed to be both!
 

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Best leader? compared with what? come to think of it, apart from herself, who what or whom, is she leader of?
Is No leader better than a bad leader?,remarkably she has managed to be both!
latest YouGov poll, TM still leads JC by 11 points.
 

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latest poll:

 

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yes, you did. I would have thought the ERG would never let her do a Norway. They will try to bring her down before she brings plan B to the HoC.
 

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yes, you did. I would have thought the ERG would never let her do a Norway. They will try to bring her down before she brings plan B to the HoC.

ERG iS only 40 or so. They’re just blockers. I think the biggest problem with Norway deal is Junker saying no.

Maybe the new guy will come in with a new deal once Juncker goes.
 

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I would have thought the ERG would never let her do a Norway. They will try to bring her down before she brings plan B to the HoC.
I think the ERG have burnt their boats, isolating themselves.

As one minister remarked, their antics could bring about the thing they want least, a referendum and remaining.
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I think the ERG have burnt their boats, isolating themselves.

As one minister remarked, their antics could bring about the thing they want least, a referendum and remaining.
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JC has a plan and it seems he is on track to get what he wants.
I remember Michel Barnier says something that may be relevant: the backstop is necessary because of TM's redlines. I wonder if that means the EU I would give JC the same deal without a backstop or a fixed term backstop.
 
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flecc

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JC has a plan and it seems he is on track to get what he wants.
I remember Michel Barnier says something that may be relevant: the backstop is necessary because of TM's redlines. I wonder if that means the EU I would give JC the same deal without a backstop or a fixed term backstop.
As I posted before, a fixed backstop is likely to be what Theresa May is seeking to try to get off the DUP hook.

Would the EU refuse it to her but allow it to JC?

Politically a very dangerous tactic, opening them to accusations of interference in national politics.
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Would the EU refuse it to her but allow it to JC?

Politically a very dangerous tactic, opening them to accusations of interference in national politics.
it does not have to be from the EU, if the ROI say they are happy with what JC proposes, the EU will acquiesce.
 

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