Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

have a look around, Not many people look malnourished

How do you judge if someone is malnourished? I might be wrong but I don't think victims need to look like the skeletal figures we saw in Belsen and the other nazi death camps, to be diagnosed as malnourished.

Perhaps you only consider someone to be in need of dietary assistance if they look like those Belsen survivors or display signs of rickets?

The food banks around the country are performing a great job in protecting poor folk from the worst ravages of poor diet and income so diminished that they are desperately impoverished. The UN inspector who recently performed a fact-finding mission in the UK was shocked by what he discovered in that regard.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

the new/different opportunity to trade with other economic spheres (Trans Pacific, North and South America, Common Wealth etc) do not need to rely on any particular new factor other than our well known legal system, we are much smaller than the EU, more flexible, more practical than the average EU state after we leave.

Is it now the case that our carbon footprint doesn't matter any more?

France and Spain are generally regarded as the breadbasket of Europe, just across the channel and/or Bay of Biscay and a great deal of their produce comes our way. If we decide to trade with countries in the areas you have suggested instead, we will be contributing significantly to greenhouses gases through carbon emissions when we signed up only two years ago to the Paris Climate Agreement.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Interserve: Major government contractor 'seeks second rescue deal'

More for May to contend with in this season of joy / ripening up for sell off...

Absolutely shocking! Why are they in dire financial straits? The government should send in specialist fraud investigators to examine the books as I suspect this hasn't just come about through bad luck or a challenging business environment.

Have they been paying out dividends and bonuses to managers while slipping deeper and deeper into debt?

It can't be the fault of the workers, those people grafting for a pittance, can it?

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Absolutely shocking! Why are they in dire financial straits? The government should send in specialist fraud investigators to examine the books as I suspect this hasn't just come about through bad luck or a challenging business environment.

Have they been paying out dividends and bonuses to managers while slipping deeper and deeper into debt?

It can't be the fault of the workers, those people grafting for a pittance, can it?

Tom

Obviously they are thinking"if the banks got away with it, why shouldn't we?"

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[Woosh]

Is it now the case that our carbon footprint doesn't matter any more?

France and Spain are generally regarded as the breadbasket of Europe, just across the channel and/or Bay of Biscay and a great deal of their produce comes our way. If we decide to trade with countries in the areas you have suggested instead, we will be contributing significantly to greenhouses gases through carbon emissions when we signed up only two years ago to the Paris Climate Agreement.

Tom

if TM's deal goes through, there won't be much change in our economy.
If we leave on WTO, trade will continue like before, there will be contraction due to the predicted lower value of the Pound. Over time, some large manufacturers will move out, some new specialist manufacturers will invest here (avionics, airframes, airplane wings, renewable energy, electric cars, bio medical, robotics, software development etc)
the whole world is moving away from high carbon economy, the UK is no exception.

 

[flecc]

Actually and please forgive me, but I thought the original pun was witty, perhaps I was only half right.

In isolation it could have been, but coming on the end of a chain of offensive posts from this member made it anything but. It was and still is in repeats intended to be offensive and cause maximum annoyance.
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[Kudoscycles]

In isolation it could have been, but coming on the end of a chain of offensive posts from this member made it anything but. It was and still is in repeats intended to be offensive and cause maximum annoyance.
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Flecc,for the first time on this forum I employed the ignore function. It is surprising how quickly it works and makes the thread more pleasant.
KudosDave

 

[oyster]

Have they been paying out dividends and bonuses to managers while slipping deeper and deeper into debt?

No dividend in y/e 2017 - remains suspended. Remuneration page 70 et seq.

Accounts

 

[Woosh]

.so where do we go after next Tuesday?
The 3 biggest donors of Vote Leave are fed up with what the Tories have done with Brexit,they think their £5million was a waste,they reckon that Remain is the best option now.
KudosDave.

where to? it's up to John Bercow.
TM will come back after she meets other EU leaders then the MPs will vote again. If they reject her deal a second time, it will be chaos.

 

[oldgroaner]

if TM's deal goes through, there won't be much change in our economy.
If we leave on WTO, trade will continue like before, there will be contraction due to the predicted lower value of the Pound. Over time, some large manufacturers will move out, some new specialist manufacturers will invest here (avionics, airframes, airplane wings, renewable energy, electric cars, bio medical, robotics, software development etc)
the whole world is moving away from high carbon economy, the UK is no exception.

Woosh, what is at issue is far more important that mere economic considerations, I recall saying long ago that an accommodation would be reached that would permit us to continue,though not thrive separated from the EU economy wise.

The loss is Political, and on an epic scale: we have accepted the one thing that we fought wars about for hundreds of years, namely Hegemony in Europe.
Worse still strategically, at a stroke we have turned a fruitful alliance which was in a form that we had the capability of influencing to our advantage, into at best a competitor too big for us to compete with, and at worst a hugely powerful adversary.

Politically it is hard to imagine a more utterly stupid thing to do we have literally neutered ourselves and the future of our children for generations to come.

The United Kingdom has been betrayed by the enemy within it damaging itself and the EU at one and the same time.
Only one nation has benefited from this internal and external treachery, and it's leader is Vladimir Putin
Brexit is the biggest defeat we have suffered since 1066

 

[oyster]

How do you judge if someone is malnourished?

From my perspective, it is very difficult to be sure except in the more extreme cases. I see people who think that are eating very healthily - and in many ways they are. But one or more nutrients is not present, not getting absorbed, getting used up quickly, or whatever.

For example, I often see tests showing low B12, low folate, low iron despite good diets. Let alone when the people have obviously poor diets. Their symptoms of deficiency are also often missed.

 

[tommie]

Armoured vehicles with EU flags attacking unarmed `Yellow Vests` protestors in France.

The mask is finally slipping.

Imagine what they’d do with an EU army!

Roll on March 29th !!

 

[flecc]

Flecc,for the first time on this forum I employed the ignore function. It is surprising how quickly it works and makes the thread more pleasant.
KudosDave

Thanks Dave. The only snag with that is when someone quotes the offender, their post is still seen in the quote.
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[Woosh]

Worse still strategically, at a stroke we have turned a fruitful alliance which was in a form that we had the capability of influencing to our advantage, into at best a competitor too big for us to compete with, and at worst a hugely powerful adversary.

it may happen even if we remain in the EU.
Nationalism rises all over Europe and brexit does not help curbing that rise. Sooner or later, Merkel will retire from European politics, AKK may continue with Merkel's 'not Germany first' but will she have the staying power of Angela Merkel? I reckon the CDU will lose more ground to German nationalists. It may not be long before 'not Germany first' becomes 'Deutschland über alles' in the Eurozone then in the EU.

 

[flecc]

Armoured vehicles with EU flags attacking unarmed `Yellow Vests` protestors in France.

The mask is finally slipping.

Imagine what they’d do with an EU army!

Roll on March 29th !!

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What's so different, first thought is of the British Army in Northern Ireland in the 1970s, and your second photo reminds me of the riots here in Croydon, this being one small sample of the damage:

 

[Wicky]

From my perspective, it is very difficult to be sure except in the more extreme cases. I see people who think that are eating very healthily - and in many ways they are. But one or more nutrients is not present, not getting absorbed, getting used up quickly, or whatever.

For example, I often see tests showing low B12, low folate, low iron despite good diets. Let alone when the people have obviously poor diets. Their symptoms of deficiency are also often missed.

Where I'm a school governor - staff investigated a case where a young infant school pupil was found eating an easter egg display in case there negligence at home (pre free school meals for Infants) - same for another pupil despite the provision of free school meals the mother insisted that her child eat only an inadequate packed lunch.

Universal free school meals was about the good good thing to come out of Lib Dems / Tory alliance - though Tories soon used it to cut Pupil Premium funding which was measured and paid out previously depending on numbers of pupils assesed to recieve free school meals.

https://epi.org.uk/publications-and-research/evaluation-universal-infant-free-school-meals/

 

[Wicky]

it may happen even if we remain in the EU.
Nationalism rises all over Europe and brexit does not help curbing that rise. Sooner or later, Merkel will retire from European politics, AKK may continue with Merkel's 'not Germany first' but will she have the staying power of Angela Merkel? I reckon the CDU will lose more ground to German nationalists. It may not be long before 'not Germany first' becomes 'Deutschland über alles' in the Eurozone then in the EU.

Don't worry we already have a head start from 11pm Friday March 29th come what may over our old foe... ;-)

 

[Wicky]

On that note I wonder how plans are coming along for Rees-Moggs and May's £120 million Festival of Brexit Britain.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/theresa-may-brexit-festival-proposal-announced-ahead-of-conference-1-5716583

"He explained: “In the spirit of friendship of our European neighbours, upon leaving we should drink lots of champagne to say that though we may be leaving the European Union, we don’t dislike Europe.”

The year that eccentric & reclusive Frinton-on-Sea was convinced to have a licenced Public House within the gates (previously the residents drank themselves stupid at the Golf , Cricket and Knitting Clubs, or gin from the Co-op in the seaside town) there was a 'coincidental' showdown of military might by an intimidating flypast of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight,

https://www.theguardian.com/g2/story/0,3604,368560,00.html

Maybe this relic of the past can be employed again to overfly the constituencies of stubborn Remain and other disloyal MPs as a show of force Empire style as told in Phoenix Squadron: HMS Ark Royal, Britain's last Topguns and the untold story of their most dramatic mission

 

[oyster]

Don't worry we already have a head start from 11pm Friday March 29th come what may over our old foe... ;-)

Not the only restoration that was done, there's also...

 

[Wicky]

Bugger - we're stuffed!

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