Brexit, for once some facts.
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The idiot fringe strikes back #3well i have to add to the near 2000 posts of complete shite
Another one incapable of anything better than clowning around ,how's your Brexit coming along?
For or against? or don't know or care?
Oh and have the leave supporters really made 2000 posts?
I stand amazed, I must have missed some!
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There is a problem with Fishing rights as we all know
This is the UK catch
The no.1 and no.2 fish the UK catches are mackerel and herring, but they are all for export. The UK sends 81% of its mackerel, and 93% of its herring abroad. Mostly to Norway and the Netherlands.
The UK only catches a tiny quantity of the cod it consumes: only 5%. The rest comes from overseas.
Haddock (also used in fish & chips) is more evenly balanced. But even here more than half of UK consumption has to come from abroad.
Under the current Brexit backstop, fish is carved out. Meaning that if no fisheries agreement is struck between the UK and the EU by July 2020, EU boats will not have access to UK waters, and the UK will not have access to the EU markets for its fish.
This is a lose-lose outcome. Danish, French, Dutch, Belgian & Irish fishermen wd be hurt (they catch a chunk of their fish in UK waters). But UK wd lose an important export market for their no.1 and no.2 catches. eg. 30% of UK mackerel and 34% of UK herring goes to NL.
Scottish industry 70% (whitefish) and 85% (shellfish) reliant on chilled, live exports overnight to the EU. This is impossible on WTO and will place Scotland at a huge disadvantage to Norway (EFTA) who have preferential tariffs.
Scotland has most to lose, particularly Shetland that lands more than England and Wales combined.
In a nutshell we have the most to lose rather than the EU we need this deal to be sorted out ASAP
If we don't get a deal there will be a lot of job losses!
This information will not doubt be considered "load of shite post 2001" by the Idiot Fringe member that surfaced on here recently but actually had nothing factual to add to the discussion,and posted irrelevant videos
This is the UK catch
The no.1 and no.2 fish the UK catches are mackerel and herring, but they are all for export. The UK sends 81% of its mackerel, and 93% of its herring abroad. Mostly to Norway and the Netherlands.
The UK only catches a tiny quantity of the cod it consumes: only 5%. The rest comes from overseas.
Haddock (also used in fish & chips) is more evenly balanced. But even here more than half of UK consumption has to come from abroad.
Under the current Brexit backstop, fish is carved out. Meaning that if no fisheries agreement is struck between the UK and the EU by July 2020, EU boats will not have access to UK waters, and the UK will not have access to the EU markets for its fish.
This is a lose-lose outcome. Danish, French, Dutch, Belgian & Irish fishermen wd be hurt (they catch a chunk of their fish in UK waters). But UK wd lose an important export market for their no.1 and no.2 catches. eg. 30% of UK mackerel and 34% of UK herring goes to NL.
Scottish industry 70% (whitefish) and 85% (shellfish) reliant on chilled, live exports overnight to the EU. This is impossible on WTO and will place Scotland at a huge disadvantage to Norway (EFTA) who have preferential tariffs.
Scotland has most to lose, particularly Shetland that lands more than England and Wales combined.
In a nutshell we have the most to lose rather than the EU we need this deal to be sorted out ASAP
If we don't get a deal there will be a lot of job losses!
This information will not doubt be considered "load of shite post 2001" by the Idiot Fringe member that surfaced on here recently but actually had nothing factual to add to the discussion,and posted irrelevant videos
Click Bait: deliberately distorting fleccs statement
It's no substitute for full EU membership so May should not be applauded for what in reality is a failure to satisfy the alleged 'will of the people'.
Tom
Hoi! What is all this foreign language? It is called a buffet (ndlr: French word) and English buffets don't have fish on, just fried Mars bars and crisps. What? We can't make Mars bars any more because the ingredients come from the EU?
The EU is currently a smörgåsbord where national governments (the sovereign ones...) can pick and choose directives to write into law depending on their national priorities.
More news:
- 25% of European voters are populists
- countries are refusing to sign up to a UN guide on tactics to tackle migration. Yes a non binding guide written to help them as sovereign nations to fight illegal immigration and holding such radical ideas as "fix the problems at the root to prevent it from happening".
Full story: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-20/un-migration-pact-immigration-politics-aren-t-about-immigration
Today, the world lacks a crop of leaders capable of such momentous deals. As a result, immigration politics have turned into an exercise in providing verbal clues to tell identity voters whom to support. The debate is about buzzwords like “sovereignty” and “border security” rather than immigration itself.
I think he’s one of the “underprivileged“ we hear so much about. A big supporter of socialism and a recipient of the free money. Money stolen from those fleeced by the PAYE system. So yes, he is clowning around, it’s what the “under privileged” do and it’s also the reason why they are “underprivileged.” I just prefer to call them idle twats who should have their benefits stopped.The idiot fringe strikes back #3
Another one incapable of anything better than clowning around ,how's your Brexit coming along?
For or against? or don't know or care?
Oh and have the leave supporters really made 2000 posts?
I stand amazed, I must have missed some!
It has been shown on here in the early days of the thread, tom
A bit more fun:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/nov/21/how-populist-are-you-quiz
My score?
You're most similar to: Barack Obama
You're least similar to: Donald Trump
I think I can live with that...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/nov/21/how-populist-are-you-quiz
My score?
You're most similar to: Barack Obama
You're least similar to: Donald Trump
I think I can live with that...
You failed to mention fish fingers, the most widely consumed fish in the U.K. Captain Birdseye will ensure that we have sufficient stocks of Fish Fingers post Brexit. You are worrying over nothing. You can trust a Royal Navy Officer.There is a problem with Fishing rights as we all know
This is the UK catch
The no.1 and no.2 fish the UK catches are mackerel and herring, but they are all for export. The UK sends 81% of its mackerel, and 93% of its herring abroad. Mostly to Norway and the Netherlands.
The UK only catches a tiny quantity of the cod it consumes: only 5%. The rest comes from overseas.
Haddock (also used in fish & chips) is more evenly balanced. But even here more than half of UK consumption has to come from abroad.
Under the current Brexit backstop, fish is carved out. Meaning that if no fisheries agreement is struck between the UK and the EU by July 2020, EU boats will not have access to UK waters, and the UK will not have access to the EU markets for its fish.
This is a lose-lose outcome. Danish, French, Dutch, Belgian & Irish fishermen wd be hurt (they catch a chunk of their fish in UK waters). But UK wd lose an important export market for their no.1 and no.2 catches. eg. 30% of UK mackerel and 34% of UK herring goes to NL.
Scottish industry 70% (whitefish) and 85% (shellfish) reliant on chilled, live exports overnight to the EU. This is impossible on WTO and will place Scotland at a huge disadvantage to Norway (EFTA) who have preferential tariffs.
Scotland has most to lose, particularly Shetland that lands more than England and Wales combined.
In a nutshell we have the most to lose rather than the EU we need this deal to be sorted out ASAP
If we don't get a deal there will be a lot of job losses!
This information will not doubt be considered "load of shite post 2001" by the Idiot Fringe member that surfaced on here recently but actually had nothing factual to add to the discussion,and posted irrelevant videos
Woops! I must have missed that one 'OG' or may simply have forgotten it…..memory's not what……can't remember the rest
Tom
parliament has voted for A50 which basically assures we'll leave at the end of March.
Unless parliament votes again to revoke A50, if it can't approve a deal, then we'll leave with no deal. Only the conservatives can undo A50. The opposition parties cannot undo A50 by themselves because they cannot bring new laws to the HoC.
TM will delay the 'meaningful vote' as much as possible to force MPs to choose between her deal or no deal.
Please accept my apologies, I stand corrected.
I was unable to find any Tonnage figures for the following catches
Fish fingers
Ocean(Crab) sticks
Fish Cakes
Sorry about that...
That's strong stuff 'tillson' and I knew nothing of that. I hesitate to ask how came about that information - I just thought the Hitler parody was amusing.
Tom
That’s ok, it’s easy to overlook these things. New stocks are being discovered all the time. The Tasty Scampi Bite being another fairly recent one.Please accept my apologies, I stand corrected.
I was unable to find any Tonnage figures for the following catches
Fish fingers
Ocean(Crab) sticks
Fish Cakes
Sorry about that...
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There is of course always that last resort that has saved us so often from disaster in the past.Please accept my apologies, I stand corrected.
I was unable to find any Tonnage figures for the following catches
Fish fingers
Ocean(Crab) sticks
Fish Cakes
Sorry about that...
We have according to the all knowing Mr Gove, unlimited access to that old staple
Red Herrings.
Mr's May will be serving a plentiful portion (Prepared for Continental tastes) in Brussels later this week
This summation from 'BrexitExposed' seems to paint a clear picture:
'David Cameron promised an EU referendum solely in order to nick a few thousand votes off UKIP at the 2015 General Election.
Cameron then decided to make the referendum campaign as short and uninformed as possible in order to minimise the rifts in the Tory ranks between the minority of Brextremist headbangers and the rest of the party.
Other Tories like Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Daniel Hannan took advantage of Cameron's ridiculously shortened referendum campaign to spread all kinds of lies about their intentions, from "£350 million for the NHS" to promises that "absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market".
Once the Brexiteers had won the Leave vote (with their unlawfully funded and shockingly dishonest campaigns) Theresa May was parachuted in as Prime Minister to set about running the Brexit process as a closed Tory shop, excluding anyone who might interfere with her efforts to run the whole thing for Tory party political advantage (opposition parties, devolved parliaments, UK businesses, trade unions, charities, academics and experts, judges, the 3 million EU citizens in the UK and the 2 million UK citizens in the EU, civic society ...).
Instead of a wide-ranging Brexit commission drawing from all across British society, Theresa May put several of the most delusional and dishonest Brextremists (like Boris Johnson and David Davis) in charge of the negotiations, only to see them waste nearly the entire two year negotiating period before resigning their positions at the last minute (almost as if they wanted the negotiations to fail from the beginning).
The result of all of this self-serving, duplicitous, and downright cynical Tory game-playing with the nation's future is a shambolic last-minute draft withdrawal agreement that is hated by virtually everyone.
And what does Theresa May do in the face of this? She publicly accuses Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party of playing games with the nation's future!
The downright dishonesty of it is sickening, but in a way you have to admire the brass neck of it. They've spent years recklessly gambling with the nation's future for their own narrow party-political advantage, and then they actually accuse the opposition of being the ones playing games with the nation's future!
How utterly confident must the Tories be that their mates in the mainstream media will never properly hold them to account that they fully expect to get away with such a transparent reality-reversal?'
Tom
'David Cameron promised an EU referendum solely in order to nick a few thousand votes off UKIP at the 2015 General Election.
Cameron then decided to make the referendum campaign as short and uninformed as possible in order to minimise the rifts in the Tory ranks between the minority of Brextremist headbangers and the rest of the party.
Other Tories like Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Daniel Hannan took advantage of Cameron's ridiculously shortened referendum campaign to spread all kinds of lies about their intentions, from "£350 million for the NHS" to promises that "absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market".
Once the Brexiteers had won the Leave vote (with their unlawfully funded and shockingly dishonest campaigns) Theresa May was parachuted in as Prime Minister to set about running the Brexit process as a closed Tory shop, excluding anyone who might interfere with her efforts to run the whole thing for Tory party political advantage (opposition parties, devolved parliaments, UK businesses, trade unions, charities, academics and experts, judges, the 3 million EU citizens in the UK and the 2 million UK citizens in the EU, civic society ...).
Instead of a wide-ranging Brexit commission drawing from all across British society, Theresa May put several of the most delusional and dishonest Brextremists (like Boris Johnson and David Davis) in charge of the negotiations, only to see them waste nearly the entire two year negotiating period before resigning their positions at the last minute (almost as if they wanted the negotiations to fail from the beginning).
The result of all of this self-serving, duplicitous, and downright cynical Tory game-playing with the nation's future is a shambolic last-minute draft withdrawal agreement that is hated by virtually everyone.
And what does Theresa May do in the face of this? She publicly accuses Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party of playing games with the nation's future!
The downright dishonesty of it is sickening, but in a way you have to admire the brass neck of it. They've spent years recklessly gambling with the nation's future for their own narrow party-political advantage, and then they actually accuse the opposition of being the ones playing games with the nation's future!
How utterly confident must the Tories be that their mates in the mainstream media will never properly hold them to account that they fully expect to get away with such a transparent reality-reversal?'
Tom
I fish quite a bit. This years catch is closer to zero than my appetite for fresh fish would like:
- deviation of Gulf Stream means modified local currents
- in turn means never before seen quantities of plastic in the bay
- climate change meant very high water temperature this year leading to migration of the species we prefer to catch (sea bass, bream, squid, anchovies...)
- deviation of Gulf Stream means modified local currents
- in turn means never before seen quantities of plastic in the bay
- climate change meant very high water temperature this year leading to migration of the species we prefer to catch (sea bass, bream, squid, anchovies...)
Just to remind you all how lucky we are (comparatively speaking) this headline is illuminating
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Trump confuses climate change with weather, prompting widespread despair
'I have never had a student dumb enough to make the kind of inference Trump is making,' professor and former Bush adviser says
Donald Trump has once again confused the weather with climate change after suggesting chilly weather headed towards the US means global warming is not real.
“Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?” Mr Trump tweeted on Thursday evening.
What indeed? one might ask
Oh for the days long ago when we only suspected that politicians were blithering idiots.
It seems like it was a Golden Age now!
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Trump confuses climate change with weather, prompting widespread despair
'I have never had a student dumb enough to make the kind of inference Trump is making,' professor and former Bush adviser says
Donald Trump has once again confused the weather with climate change after suggesting chilly weather headed towards the US means global warming is not real.
“Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?” Mr Trump tweeted on Thursday evening.
What indeed? one might ask
Oh for the days long ago when we only suspected that politicians were blithering idiots.
It seems like it was a Golden Age now!