Brexit, for once some facts.

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I think she has misjudged it though. When parliament votes down the deal she will have to beg juncker for an extension. I think this is what will get the vote of no confidence in her
the EU have said that they will only agree to an extension of A50 if the UK needs it for a general election or second EU referendum. The cost will be at least £10 billions per annum, more likely £17 billions when ancillary costs are added. The conservatives are in the driving seat at the moment, that means the choice will be between May's deal or no deal. Unseating May will mean no deal because her replacement would be likely a no deal supporter.
 
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Erm one your buddies. I think it was the Liar posted something about leave voters being racists and not wanting a unified Europe.

I merely pointed the last person that wanted a unified Europe was Hitler. You then defended Hit”er and said he wasn’t all bad.

It’s all there flecc. I’m not making this stuff up.

Your little stroking circle is being called out for what it is.
Click bait; post deliberately malicious to cause disruption

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the EU have said that they will only agree to an extension of A50 if the UK needs it for a general election or second EU referendum. The cost will be at least £10 billions per annum, more likely £17 billions when ancillary costs are added. The conservatives are in the driving seat at the moment, that means the choice will be between May's deal or no deal. Unseating May will mean no deal because her replacement would be likely a no deal supporter.
True. But I do think there are enough Tories even remain Tories that can see her deal really is as bad as Suez and will put country above party.

I hope...
 

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True. But I do think there are enough Tories even remain Tories that can see her deal really is as bad as Suez and will put country above party.

I hope...
there can't be a good deal compared to normal cost of membership, whoever is negotiating it. Forget about reneging on the £39 billions, we owe at least £19 billions out of the 39, they want that amount settled within the next 7 years, whatever the brexit deal. The discussion is about whether May's deal is better than a no deal. Her deal works out £11 billion per year in the transition period to protect our workforce and avoid a run on the Pound. Foreign investors would pull their money out of London if we refuse to pay the £39 billions. No deal would cost in excess of £80 billions in the first year alone, the cost will fall quickly if a new deal is in sight.
 

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I merely pointed the last person that wanted a unified Europe was Hitler.
More nonsense, showing you were wrong yet again.

There have been a very large number of people wanting a unified Europe since Hitler.

They brought the Common Market, EEC, EU and all it's unifying treaties into existence. Our Ted Heath liked the concept too.

Hadn't you noticed?
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a well argued piece on the long term legal consequences with May's deal if the UK chooses a Canada style deal at later date:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mays-brexit-deal-the-legal-verdict/
Halfway through the 585-page document, we find Art. 185, which states a Northern Ireland Protocol ‘shall apply as from the end of the transition period’. Once the Protocol is in force, the UK cannot leave it except by ‘joint’ decision of the UK and the EU. This gives the EU a right of veto over the UK’s exit. In agreeing to this clause, the government has caved in over seeking a right to leave.

Indeed, the Protocol — which has become known as the ‘backstop’ — locks the whole UK into a customs union with the EU with no decision-making power. Annex 2 Art. 3(4) states that the UK shall be ‘informed’ of any decision by the EU to amend the Common Customs Tariff ‘in sufficient time for it to align itself with that decision’.
It basically says that the UK can leave the single market but not Northern Ireland.
It may be fine for most of us and possibly 60% of Northern Irish who voted to remain but upset the 'brexit purists'.
 

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It has been shown on here in the early days of the thread, tom
I see the usual fool disagrees:
Not only did we display that particular version, but also one that was actually pro leave.
Take some advice fingers , when you don't know what you are talking about, don't comment.
Oh Dear, that would mean you wouldn't be posting again.
Ah well, I'm sure we will get over that :D
 
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a well argued piece on the long term legal consequences with May's deal if the UK chooses a Canada style deal at later date:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mays-brexit-deal-the-legal-verdict/

It basically says that the UK can leave the single market but not Northern Ireland.
It may be fine for most of us and possibly 60% of Northern Irish who voted to remain but upset the 'brexit purists'.
What manner of Beast is a "Brexit Purist"?
It can either be one or the other but not both
 
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A line called a "mitraillette" (French for machine gun, Belgian for sandwich with meat and chips... ) https://www.top-fishing.fr/catalogue/article/bas-de-ligne-flashmer-micro-alevins-6-hame-ons.html

Long supple rod, up and down motion attracts the small fry to the beads and feathers. A paste made of bread, sardine oil and sand thrown in the water is used to attract the schools of fish to your general area.

Some use a small lead weight on the end, I use a 20g lure because larger prey is also attracted to the smaller fish... A mate caught a 1.1 kg John Dory on that line a couple of years back and mullet are regularly taken. I have pulled out chichard which is a local cousin to mackerel and had sea bass strikes on the hooked fry.
Thank you for the info, am I correct in assuming the main purpose of taking them is to lure larger prey as they struggle , or is that just a benefit?
 
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True. But I do think there are enough Tories even remain Tories that can see her deal really is as bad as Suez and will put country above party.

I hope...
And what makes you think Brexiteers are serving this country? when you don't even comprehend what they have set out to do?
That's the problem isn't it, by now even you should have realised there is no way you are going to get what you voted for, even if by some fluke you had devoted a moment's thought as to what you actually wanted and what the cost might be when you voted in the Referendum.

What baffles me is this, you claim to be a Socialist and yet expected the Tories to struggle to win the version of Brexit you want ?

What kind of an idiot expects their enemy to fight and win a war on their behalf resulting in the sort of Victory that works against the very principles that the Tory party serves?

No wonder you come on here to prance and caper about acting the fool and can't justify a case for what you did in voting for Brexit.

There isn't really anything else open to you is there?
 
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Thank you for the info, am I correct in assuming the main purpose of taking them is to lure larger prey as they struggle , or is that just a benefit?
Just a side benefit. They are eaten fried in tempura batter :rolleyes: (no icon for yummy! rolling eyes will have to do...)
 

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Too late! even if it happened here
"French Parliament pass law banning fake news during elections. Fake is defined as “inaccurate or deceptive allegations of a nature intended to alter the honesty of an election”. How many leave campaign assertions would have been caught by a similar UK law?
 

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there can't be a good deal compared to normal cost of membership, whoever is negotiating it. Forget about reneging on the £39 billions, we owe at least £19 billions out of the 39, they want that amount settled within the next 7 years, whatever the brexit deal. The discussion is about whether May's deal is better than a no deal. Her deal works out £11 billion per year in the transition period to protect our workforce and avoid a run on the Pound. Foreign investors would pull their money out of London if we refuse to pay the £39 billions. No deal would cost in excess of £80 billions in the first year alone, the cost will fall quickly if a new deal is in sight.

I genuinely don’t think Mays deal is better than no deal as it isn’t Brexit. I’m going to use my we will be the Eunuchs of the EU. I think that’s pretty good tbh. I’d rather remain than have this deal.

In regard to foreign investors pulling their money out. I can’t really see that. I can’t see the Qataris moving the shard or The Germans stopping the production of Land Rovers etc. The money is tied into investment not sitting in a bank. But yes it will definitely be a rocky 6 months or so. A run on the pound is almost inevitable or an attempt on that. Hopefully we can parry this. The strokers on here will love it and be in a constant state of orgasm. But we’ll get through it.
 

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Too late! even if it happened here
"French Parliament pass law banning fake news during elections. Fake is defined as “inaccurate or deceptive allegations of a nature intended to alter the honesty of an election”. How many leave campaign assertions would have been caught by a similar UK law?
Trouble is, it would also scupper all party manifestos!
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oldgroaner

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Trouble is, it would also scupper all party manifestos!
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They would have to be expressed as a Wish List! or have the clauses that the ERG used that I posted recently, "Caveat Emptor"
How about
"This isn't a Manifesto
It's more of a guideline really,
We are after all the "Raving Loony Party" (insert your own preference there)
 

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