Brexit, for once some facts.

[tommie]

and in other news...

Huge! Angela Merkel echoes Macron and Juncker's call for a "real, true European army" in her address to the European Parliament. Huge applause. These Euro-fanatics are dead serious about this European "Empire".

Remainers, did you vote for this?

This won`t go down well with the natives in Ireland (the land of everlasting Neutrality.. except WW2 of course) lol!!

Hey Dan....ready for conscription ???!!

 

[oldtom]

Three types of ignorance……..I love this piece from 'The Irish Times':

fintan-o-toole-historians-will-not-believe-sheer-ignorance-of-brexit-supporters-1.3695347

Tom

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I think we would do better by leaving the trade policy to the EU, so keeping membership of the EU customs union is a sensible choice, either via EFTA membership or direct FTA.
Brexit gives us back some control on foreign and defense policy at the same time, stop the USA controlling / influencing the development of the EU's army by using us as a marionette.

If all Brexit will do is to "give us some control on foreign policy", Im not quite sure I understand why you defend it do vehemently?

 

[Woosh]

If all Brexit will do is to "give us some control on foreign policy", Im not quite sure I understand why you defend it do vehemently?

I like the old Europe of nations cooperating on economics, environmental and social protection because these issues are too big for any country leave alone government to solve. I also dislike NATO and the burgeoning EU army, the CAP, an EU seat at the security council, EU enlargement and EU flags on our buildings.

 

[flecc]

These Euro-fanatics are dead serious about this European "Empire".

Remainers, did you vote for this?

Emphatically Yes.
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[oldgroaner]

and in other news...

Huge! Angela Merkel echoes Macron and Juncker's call for a "real, true European army" in her address to the European Parliament. Huge applause. These Euro-fanatics are dead serious about this European "Empire".

Remainers, did you vote for this?

This won`t go down well with the natives in Ireland (the land of everlasting Neutrality.. except WW2 of course) lol!!

Hey Dan....ready for conscription ???!!

Yes we did, and an EU superstate too, and it's long overdue

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[oyster]

I suspect that there will be quite a few Trump supporters trying to buy one, they are after all not overburdened with brains.

And there I was thinking it was certain bears who were not overburdened...

“When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.”

― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

 

[flecc]

I also dislike NATO and the burgeoning EU army, the CAP, an EU seat at the security council, EU enlargement and EU flags on our buildings.

I dislike NATO with very good reason, and think EU enlargement should be on hold until the Southern Nations achieve greater economic compatibility with EU assistance

But the rest I fully support.
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[tommie]

Ah, ok, there was me thinking the EU was just a Trading Bloc,

so its the 4th Reich as well

interesting...

thankfully we have the DUP, ERG etc etc to put a stop to all that nonsense in the UK

 

[flecc]

thankfully we have the DUP, ERG etc etc to put a stop to all that nonsense in the UK

Neither could organise a vertical urination in an alcohol production facility.
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[oyster]

Emphatically Yes.
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Let us also remember that less than ten years ago there was discussion about sharing aircraft carriers with France. (Supported by the tories in the guise of the coalition.) I cannot conceive of such an arrangement that did not imply lots of co-operation way beyond a timeshare on a boat. Of course we'd need France to let us have it if we need it and they don't - and vice versa. These arrangements would be very deep.

End speculation over UK and France 'sharing' aircraft carriers, Labour tells government

 

[oldgroaner]

Ah, ok, there was me thinking the EU was just a Trading Bloc,

so its the 4th Reich as well

interesting...

thankfully we have the DUP, ERG etc etc to put a stop to all that nonsense in the UK

Are you a completely clueless? Is America a fourth Reich because it is a superstate ? Of course not, and we would have been a major influence on the EU, now thanks to people like you it will develop in ways we may well find work against us, stupid thing to do voting out and leaving it to the Germans to lead wasn't it?

What a superb strategic decision, to allow Europe to become a military power on our doorstep that we have no control over, when we could have been a major part of it.

The very thing our foreign policy has always resisted, hegemony in Europe that could work against us, and now we have not merely surrendered the power to prevent it, but encouraged it to happen.

Is that what you voted for tommie? is it really? what on earth were you thinking of to do anything so self defeating?

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[oyster]

Boris Johnson says:

It’s vassal state stuff as for the first time in 1,000 years this parliament will not have a say over the laws that govern this country.

The implication being that we very definitely HAVE HAD A SAY despite being subject to EU membership (as he would likely put it).

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris Johnson says:

It’s vassal state stuff as for the first time in 1,000 years this parliament will not have a say over the laws that govern this country.

The implication being that we very definitely HAVE HAD A SAY despite being subject to EU membership (as he would likely put it).

We spent most of our time demanding and receiving special treatment, didn't we? and giving nothing back.
I wonder just how this utter fool manages to use the word "subject" to describe the way the EU went out of it's way to pander to our stupid and selfish demands?
And the fact that any laws enacted had been previously agreed to and often instigated by us?

 

[oyster]

Tonight, say, TM can see the utter impossibility of getting her version of brexit through. She spends sleepless hours, wakes up and says: I have done everything I can to create a workable deal. Parliament will not pass it. So the best option for the UK is to remain. There will be an emergency debate on withdrawing A50.

What then?

 

[oyster]

Pleased to see:

Mueller seeking more details on Nigel Farage, key Russia inquiry target says

• Exclusive: Jerome Corsi to Guardian – ‘They asked about Nigel’
• Key Brexit figure Farage has denied involvement with Russia

 

[flecc]

Tonight, say, TM can see the utter impossibility of getting her version of brexit through. She spends sleepless hours, wakes up and says: I have done everything I can to create a workable deal. Parliament will not pass it. So the best option for the UK is to remain. There will be an emergency debate on withdrawing A50.

That won't happen. Like Margaret Thatcher, and indeed many women in authority, she stubbornly will never change her mind, no matter how wrong she is proved to be.

Having said "Brexit is Brexit", she is congenitally unable to change that.
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[oyster]

Three types of ignorance……..I love this piece from 'The Irish Times':

fintan-o-toole-historians-will-not-believe-sheer-ignorance-of-brexit-supporters-1.3695347

Tom

It's good! Couldn't help thinking of parallels between the unseeing of The City & the City and the descriptions of unknowing.

 

[oyster]

That won't happen. Like Margaret Thatcher, and indeed many women in authority, she stubbornly will never change her mind, no matter how wrong she is proved to be.

Having said "Brexit is Brexit", she is congenitally unable to change that.
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Surely you are right that it won't happen. But I really do wonder what would happen.

 

[oldgroaner]

Tomorrow is
Can kicking time folks!