Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

And just when will it actually reach the retailers?

That's an easy one to answer. Too late.
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[flecc]

But don't worry the UK poor will be saved by brexit. No money at all they will all die - freeze to death because they can't afford heating or starve. Those who aren't over weight, they get to die of type 2 diabetes...

Not so, haven't you heard, the UK is re-entering space research and operations.

Now we are leaving the EU we will also be free to do as we please, so the next move will be to re-establish a British Empire to feed us and keep us in luxury once again. This time it will be in space as we colonise distant planets and subjugate the alien occupants, training them as slaves. After all, do-gooders won't be able to object that human beings shouldn't be treated like that, they won't be human!

Watch this space - - - err - - - and that space too.
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[oldgroaner]

Not so, haven't you heard, the UK is re-entering space research and operations.

Now we are leaving the EU we will also be free to do as we please, so the next move will be to re-establish a British Empire to feed us and keep us in luxury once again. This time it will be in space as we colonise distant planets and subjugate the alien occupants, training them as slaves. After all, do-gooders won't be able to object that human beings shouldn't be treated like that, they won't be human!

Watch this space - - - err - - - and that space too.
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Oh Dear! that means we will have to be nice to the French if we need a Rocket

 

[oldgroaner]

Minford so beloved of the Brexit Camp holds forth
https://twitter.com/i/status/1055730774853517312
You will have to run down the car industry, it's in your interest!

 

[oyster]

Oh Dear! that means we will have to be nice to the French if we need a Rocket

We could be nice to the Russians...

 

[flecc]

Oh Dear! that means we will have to be nice to the French if we need a Rocket

Not so, we'll have our own, designed by our brilliant scientists who created such successes as the Bristol Brabazon, the Saunders-Roe Princess, the Dounreay reactor, the British Rail APT, the cross channel hovercraft car ferries and TSR 2.

What could possibly go wrong?
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[tillson]

When did companies stop ethical behaviour? When did one percent of people start deserving more money than they are worth? Since when has "free trade" been free? The poor should pay for the rich because they deserve all the money?

We can debate these and many other questions but until we scrap neo-liberal fantasy economics this will continue. I've been waiting about 30 years for trickle down economics to start trickling, how much longer must we wait for these fantasy economical ideas to actually start working?

But don't worry the UK poor will be saved by brexit. No money at all they will all die - freeze to death because they can't afford heating or starve. Those who aren't over weight, they get to die of type 2 diabetes...

There is no such thing as trickledown. You will be waiting on the free money forever. Work & self discipline provides the rewards, not the free money truck tipping the fruits of someone else's efforts on the driveway. There is no substitute for hard work, determination and improvement.

The “poor” and the “disadvantaged” may well find hard times ahead, but at least they will be able to share the experience using the latest £1100 iPhone XS, whilst smoking fags, and drinking 6.5% strength knock-off larger.

 

[oyster]

Not so, we'll have our own, designed by our brilliant scientists who created such successes as the Bristol Brabazon, the Saunders-Roe Princess, the Dounreay reactor, the British Rail APT, the cross channel hovercraft car ferries and TSR 2.

What could possibly go wrong?
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What about
Black Arrow ?

 

[Wicky]

Not so, haven't you heard, the UK is re-entering space research and operations.

Now we are leaving the EU we will also be free to do as we please, so the next move will be to re-establish a British Empire to feed us and keep us in luxury once again. This time it will be in space as we colonise distant planets and subjugate the alien occupants, training them as slaves. After all, do-gooders won't be able to object that human beings shouldn't be treated like that, they won't be human!

Watch this space - - - err - - - and that space too.
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I'm sure I've posted a link to this before in this thread - but still worth repeating

Election 2017: South Suffolk UKIP hopeful aims for interstellar travel

Election candidates often make ambitious policy claims – but South Suffolk UKIP candidate Aidan Powlesland is hoping to kick-start inter-stellar travel and mining in the asteroid belt if he is elected on June 8.

Mr Powlesland, from Long Melford, includes eye-catching proposals to support the eye-catching projects in his list of more typical policies.

He says he would like the government to: “Offer £1.2 billion worth of prizes, in the form of share capital, to the companies that win competitions to:

a) Design an interstellar colony ship.

b) Profitably mine the asteroid belt for water and/or platinum, so long as they do so by 2026.

c) That convert the ML86X design into a flying aircraft carrier. This is a giant airship being designed by an American company as a cargo-carrier.

In more down to earth policies, he wants the government offer British citizenship to all EU citizens living in the UK, to increase the army by 16,000, take £157bn less a year from taxpayers, and cut the price of housing by 70% over the next 50 years.

Mr Powlesland said technology was rapidly advancing and research was already being undertaken into designing a tiny spaceship that could travel fast enough to reach the nearest start system.

He said: “The entrepreneur Yuri Milner has offered $100m to create a photon-powered spaceship.”

Working with Professor Stephen Hawking, Mr Milner’s company believes it could create a “nano starshot” that could travel to the Alpha Centuri star system after a 20-year journey.

Current technology suggests a full-sized spaceship would take 2,000 years to make the journey.

Mr Powlesland said he did not want to create a “British NASA” for the work.

He said: “I do not want to see a UK space agency developing this, but I would like to offer an incentive to scientists and entrepreneurs to look at this great leap forward.”

Humans had always looked to expand their horizons – such as when people had colonised America and other parts of the world.

He said: “People left to set up new colonies in America because they did not want to be governed by the constraints in their homelands. I think the same thing could happen in space in the future.”

Must have been casting his eyes enviously over the North Sea at the Dutch Space Program

http://www.meutrechtbarcelona.com/when-the-domtoren-became-a-space-shuttle/

 

[oldgroaner]

Work & self discipline provides the rewards,

Tell that to people juggling several jobs and in debt.
And this
"The “poor” and the “disadvantaged” may well find hard times ahead, but at least they will be able to share the experience using the latest £1100 iPhone XS, whilst smoking fags, and drinking 6.5% strength knock-off larger."

Why the jealousy? because that is the message that comes across when you make these sarcastic comments.
Have you got any statistical evidence of the scale of this abuse? or is it just the usual Tory BS?
Or perhaps personal experience among your social circle?

You really have some very odd anger problems where the young are concerned.

 

[flecc]

What about
Black Arrow ?

And while we're on colours, Blue Streak.
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[anotherkiwi]

There is no such thing as trickledown. You will be waiting on the free money forever. Work & self discipline provides the rewards, not the free money truck tipping the fruits of someone else's efforts on the driveway. There is no substitute for hard work, determination and improvement.

The “poor” and the “disadvantaged” may well find hard times ahead, but at least they will be able to share the experience using the latest £1100 iPhone XS, whilst smoking fags, and drinking 6.5% strength knock-off larger.

What are you on about? Where in the theory of trickle down economics is there mention of free money? Letting very rich people take more than their due was supposed to create jobs. Those jobs were supposed to have real wages...

 

[oldgroaner]

It's Magic Money tree time in the Daily Express!
"
BREXIT BUDGET: Chancellor to unveil plan to SUPERCHARGE economy and UNITE Britain
THE CHANCELLOR Philip Hammond will tomorrow deliver a Budget to unite a post-Brexit Britain.
An unprecedented £30billion cash injection is set to overhaul our transport infrastructure and supercharge the economy with an expected £210billion windfall as motorways are improved, new A-roads created and rural transport links boosted.

The move – which will see the road tax revenue spent exclusively on highways for the first time – will also entice more people to live and work outside cities where house prices are cheaper.

It is one of the biggest single upgrades of the network since the expansion of the first motorways in the 1960s.

Let's analyse that.
Apparently all the years of Austerity were a Sham, we had lots of spare money all along!
A windfall? where is that coming from? a Brexit promise?
Living more outside cities means the cities are doomed, and transport costs and pollution rise.
More of the country under tarmac? forget it!

And the ultimate madness from Rees Mogg

"Citing three areas he hoped Mr Hammond would address to further Britain’s Brexit chances, he said: “The Chancellor must announce no tariffs on any goods that the UK doesn’t produce itself on March 29, so we stop protecting an inefficient continental system."

That man is a danger to us all.

Nothing of use to see here, move along.

 

[oyster]

I had never heard of the
Ease of doing business index
until just now. UK is currently 7th. I wonder where we will sit next year?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ease_of_doing_business_index

 

[flecc]

For some weird reason your identical link won't activate for me, but this one does despite being the same?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ease_of_doing_business_index

The only difference I can see is that yours doesn't retain the underline after being used.
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[oyster]

"Citing three areas he hoped Mr Hammond would address to further Britain’s Brexit chances, he said: “The Chancellor must announce no tariffs on any goods that the UK doesn’t produce itself on March 29, so we stop protecting an inefficient continental system."

To the best of my knowledge, the UK doesn't produce:
New Zealand lamb
French cheese
Italian pasta
German salami
Russian vodka
Greek feta
Irish bricks (our house was built from such things)

Given the impending closure of the UK motor industry, that too will be zero tariff. Indeed, the mere policy of setting such zero tariffs could undermine our existing industries.

Most spectacularly, we don't produce good MPs for north Somerset. Let us set the tariffs on them to zero.

(Funny how the word Tariff always reminds me of BR buffet cars in the 1960s and 70s.)

 

[flecc]

To the best of my knowledge, the UK doesn't produce:
New Zealand lamb
French cheese
Italian pasta
German salami
Russian vodka
Greek feta
Irish bricks (our house was built from such things)

We did have an Italian pasta company in London Road, St Albans for many years, but that's closed now.

And we do make Smirnoff fake Russian vodka here.

We do make genuine sheeps milk feta cheese here in both Sussex and Yorkshire at least, but after the Yorkshire company lost a court case we had to stop calling it feta following the EU Commission ruling the name could only apply to cheese from certain parts of Greece.

So the Sussex maker calls it Medita and the Yorkshire maker, Mrs Bell, calls it Fine Fettle Cheese. Perhaps as we leave the EU they could be naughty and revert to saying feta!

Not sure why we'd need Irish bricks, England is a major producer of them, particularly the London Brick Company in the Bedfordshire clay fields.
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[oyster]

We did have an Italian pasta company in London Road, St Albans for many years, but that's closed now.

And we do make Smirnoff fake Russian vodka here.

We do make genuine sheeps milk feta cheese here in both Sussex and Yorkshire at least, but after the Yorkshire company lost a court case we had to stop calling it feta following the EU Commission ruling the name could only apply to cheese from certain parts of Greece.

So the Sussex maker calls it Medita and the Yorkshire maker, Mrs Bell, calls it Fine Fettle Cheese. Perhaps as we leave the EU they could be naughty and revert to saying feta!

Not sure why we'd need Irish bricks, England is a major producer of them, particularly the London Brick Company in the Bedfordshire clay fields.
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We might not need them - but the fundamental is that we don't, indeed can't, produce them. So the blanket zero tariffs on things we don't produce is, to use an imported word, baloney.

 

[Kudoscycles]

To the best of my knowledge, the UK doesn't produce:
New Zealand lamb
French cheese
Italian pasta
German salami
Russian vodka
Greek feta
Irish bricks (our house was built from such things)

Given the impending closure of the UK motor industry, that too will be zero tariff. Indeed, the mere policy of setting such zero tariffs could undermine our existing industries.

Most spectacularly, we don't produce good MPs for north Somerset. Let us set the tariffs on them to zero.

(Funny how the word Tariff always reminds me of BR buffet cars in the 1960s and 70s.)

We don’t make electric bikes,I am sure the U.K. Chinese bike importing business would rejoice if the anti-dumping duties on all e-bikes were removed.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

We did have an Italian pasta company in London Road, St Albans for many years, but that's closed now.

And we do make Smirnoff fake Russian vodka here.

We do make genuine sheeps milk feta cheese here in both Sussex and Yorkshire at least, but after the Yorkshire company lost a court case we had to stop calling it feta following the EU Commission ruling the name could only apply to cheese from certain parts of Greece.

So the Sussex maker calls it Medita and the Yorkshire maker, Mrs Bell, calls it Fine Fettle Cheese. Perhaps as we leave the EU they could be naughty and revert to saying feta!

Not sure why we'd need Irish bricks, England is a major producer of them, particularly the London Brick Company in the Bedfordshire clay fields.
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A Bell engaged in subterfuge? that's one of my relatives!
Signum Pacis Amor !

And if ever there was a lie, that clan motto has to be among the best
(Love is the token of peace).
We're Border Rievers after all, 'aint we?
By the way the Clan understanding of a "Tariff" was the Excise Man's cut, there was an implicit understanding that if there had to be crime, it had better be organised.

Nice to see fine old traditions being observed in this benighted age (only they have Government departments doing it now).