Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

Bearing in mind the risks involved in Brexit, it is hard to see how any Government can continue with the process without some attempt to achieve a mandate from the people that will ensure whatever happens the mass of the population is onside and will not explode into various form of unrest when trouble financial or otherwise emerges.

To press ahead without a second confirmatory referendum with at least a 60/40 mandate favouring Brexit , in a referendum where the situation is better understood, and steps can be taken to avoid the sabotage carried out by the leave campaign and it's agents employing targetted advertising using stolen voter data, and illegal amounts of secretly sourced funds last time ,can only be regarded as taking a huge risk of public disorder.

To imagine that the depth and extent of the feelings expressed in yesterday's London protest means nothing is simply bloody foolish.

The nation is split down the middle on this, and the most dangerous thing to do is to ignore one half on the population to favour the other because a discredited Government is threatened by a lunatic fringe movement within it's own ranks and the handful of minority MP's seats for rent in the DUP , when the risks are obvious and dire of Brexit failing, and all we have supposedly in favour of it, are vague and meaningless promises and lies form a cadre of villains intent only on protecting their Tax havens, and in the expectation of making a killing out of selling off the NHS and the few remaining assets the nation still has.

And all of this the Fault of Conservatives and their policies, lies, machinations and propaganda.
Truly it is the biggest Mass mugging in Human history.

I fully agree with the sentiments of the first half of this posting,and would have flagged agree.
However, that would have meant agreeing with the second half , where I have said I will not comment on internal UK politics. . Hence this response.

 

[oyster]

Didn't both parties say at the last GE that they would respect the result.

Which rather left us with no real chance of expressing our desire to remain remainers.

 

[Woosh]

the brexiteers are going to make real their threat this coming week.
TM will be forced to take side. If she refuses to give up the NI backstop, they will mount a leadership challenge. They have nothing left to lose and are certain to win a straight membership vote.
If there is a deal, there will be a transition. As polls show momentum for remain, there is a possibility that a second referendum is going to take place during the transition with a likely outcome to reverse brexit.

 

[oyster]

If TM were to be forced out as PM (in the next three days, according to some reports, whether or not you believe any of them), what next?

Assuming that doesn't result in a general election, who do you think would become PM?

 

[oldtom]

BTW who is robdon???

I have never met the man but I thoroughly admire his take on all of those here bickering over the scarce pros and thousands of cons in 'Brexit'. He seems to be a remarkably perceptive judge of character and his decision to rarely post in this thread is probably eminently sensible - shades of an old friend of mine who always kept his own counsel while admonishing others with the expression, 'If you can't say owt that's nice, say nowt!'

He claimed to be from God's country but I'm sure he was a Yorkshireman!

Tom

 

[Woosh]

If TM were to be forced out as PM (in the next three days, according to some reports, whether or not you believe any of them), what next?

the UK will need to seek an extension of A50 so that a new PM can get his/her head around negotiating a new deal.
If a new deal is not approved by parliament, the next step will be to call a general election to strengthen the government's majority.

Assuming that doesn't result in a general election, who do you think would become PM?

if TM is forced out, creepy JRM is likely the next PM.

 

[oldgroaner]

I fully agree with the sentiments of the first half of this posting,and would have flagged agree.
However, that would have meant agreeing with the second half , where I have said I will not comment on internal UK politics. . Hence this response.

I quite understand....My Wife is Irish too ... as in "I need some new shoes, i'm down to me uppers."
I do love the Irish they have a wonderful way with words....

 

[oldgroaner]

If TM were to be forced out as PM (in the next three days, according to some reports, whether or not you believe any of them), what next?

Assuming that doesn't result in a general election, who do you think would become PM?

The slowest witted in the race to the Exit?

For verily the meek shall inherit the Earth
as they lack the presence of mind
to resist the Kamikaze urge all politicians are infected with

 

[Woosh]

The slowest witted in the race to the Exit?

that would be David Davis.
JRM may set him up to be the fall guy.

 

[oldgroaner]

I have never met the man but I thoroughly admire his take on all of those here bickering over the scarce pros and thousands of cons in 'Brexit'. He seems to be a remarkably perceptive judge of character and his decision to rarely post in this thread is probably eminently sensible - shades of an old friend of mine who always kept his own counsel while admonishing others with the expression, 'If you can't say owt that's nice, say nowt!'

He claimed to be from God's country but I'm sure he was a Yorkshireman!

Tom

As in the old folk song

"I dreamt that I died and to heaven did go

"And where do you come from?
They wanted to know

I said "I come from Yorkshire!"
Saint Peter did stare

"He said step right inside..
You're the First One from there!"

 

[oldgroaner]

that would be David Davis.
JRM may set him up to be the fall guy.

This is true, the man will be late for his own funeral to judge by his attendance at meetings with the EU
I really can't think of anyone I would rather see carry the can than the man that wrote the Bill for Brexit...
He gets my vote
"Thick as Mince for PM!"
That will have them laughing in the Aisles all over the EU

 

[oldgroaner]

the UK will need to seek an extension of A50 so that a new PM can get his/her head around negotiating a new deal.
If a new deal is not approved by parliament, the next step will be to call a general election to strengthen the government's majority.


if TM is forced out, creepy JRM is likely the next PM.

I don't think he's daft enough to take that on, he'll nominate some other clown.

 

[Nev]

I don't think he's daft enough to take that on, he'll nominate some other clown.

Dominic Raab?

 

[oldgroaner]

Dominic Raab?

Possibly

 

[Wicky]

 

[oyster]

if TM is forced out, creepy JRM is likely the next PM.

Do you really think he could get a majority of the tory MPs?

 

[Woosh]

Do you really think he could get a majority of the tory MPs?

he does not have to be the top candidate. Second best in the first round is equally good. TM was given the job by MPs, not this time, the ERG will get their man in.

 

[Kudoscycles]

what if it was 52/48 the other way. Could we have another go

Farage wanted another referendum when he thought he had lost the vote.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Just watching a video of Boris where he made the remarkable statement that we should not offer to extend the the transition period.
We should not offer? bloody hell, is he representing the EU now?
If I was representing the EU my reaction would be to remark
Very well, there won't be one.
Close the door on your way out.

 

[oldgroaner]

The comedy of Brexit gets darker by the day, with many questions remaining to be be answered, we could begin with the posturing over May continuing as PM.
Is this for real? or is it just another ploy to con the EU into giving ground rather than have to face the delay while the Tory party select another fool even more rabid than her as a replacement?

The answer you come to depends on whether you think any of the so called contenders is ambitious and stupid enough to put their neck into this so obvious a noose.

(And in Gove's case whether or not he can get his Wife's permision)