Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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What happened was a bunch of patronising know-alls began a determined 'we know best' campaign to reverse the result.
It strikes me that many of the know-alls who talked down were major figures in the leave campaign.

I invent: "If we paint things people want on a red bus, the little people will lap it up and vote our way."

[Yes, I know the bus wasn't painted - almost certainly some sort of vinyl sheet applied.]
 

oyster

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Allow me to suggest, you know damn well you will lose, don't you?
Otherwise you should be welcoming the idea with open arms as proof that the virtue of Brexit has convinced the remainers and unity restored in the country.
Clicking "Agree" simply isn't strong enough.

If leave had convinced, it would be a no-brainer to support a confirmatory referendum. For that is what it would be.
 

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It strikes me that many of the know-alls who talked down were major figures in the leave campaign.

I invent: "If we paint things people want on a red bus, the little people will lap it up and vote our way."

[Yes, I know the bus wasn't painted - almost certainly some sort of vinyl sheet applied.]
Pity it wasn't painted, it might have sold as a sort of "Fascist Graffiti answer to Banksy!"
And at the moment of sale at Auction be put though a crusher perchance?
 

oldtom

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What happened was a bunch of patronising know-alls began a determined 'we know best' campaign to reverse the result.

Talking down to people in that way merely makes them more determined to stick to their position, thereby proving Remainers are not nearly as clever as they think they are.
Ok 'RobF', can you explain exactly how, when and where the British people will be better off outside of the EU as you must think you are superior to those remainers you condemn, decent citizens who want the best for their country and believe passionately that EU membership offers the best future for both the UK and for a United States of Europe.

No-one yet has satisfactorily answered that question so I look forward to reading your views on it.

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oldtom

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I'm no great fan of the broadcaster, James O'Brien, but on this occasion I think he has a point. It really does the BBC and other supposed news organs no credit to mention the miniscule pro-'Brexit' gatherings in the same breath as a rally by somewhere between half and three-quarters of a million attendees right outside parliament and beyond in central London.

There is simply no comparison.

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oldtom

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Once we lost them and the riches we stole from them, it was a slow but certain downhill spiral all the way to needing an IMF loan, untill joining the EEC gave us the support we needed to survive.

In the moderm world big isn't just beautiful, but critical.
Absolutely spot-on OG!

Sadly, so many of those who think 'Brexit' is a great idea really have no idea about modern history and many didn't live during those first two decades after WW2 so have no relevant experience of life in a dying former colonial power.

It isn't entirely their own fault that they are ignorant of the facts which have led us to where we are today; the dumbing-down of British society began before many of these people were born and George Orwell nailed it in his books '1984' & 'Animal Farm'. The UK public has been brainwashed, day-in and day-out for all of their lives, a deliberate policy so effective that the victims really have no idea because they have been 'trained' to accept certain viewpoints and opinions as gospel.

If only they had minds of their own!

Tom
 

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I'm no great fan of the broadcaster, James O'Brien, but on this occasion I think he has a point. It really does the BBC and other supposed news organs no credit to mention the miniscule pro-'Brexit' gatherings in the same breath as a rally by somewhere between half and three-quarters of a million attendees right outside parliament and beyond in central London.
there are simply fewer people who feel 'winners' than losers.
 
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BTW who is robdon??? does he exist or is he a bot controlled by OT and OG. Never posts just keeps pressing dislike/like buttons
 
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oyster

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There is deep concern among thyroid patients that this will in practice change people from liothyronine to levothyroxine (for one example). Medicines that only the ignorant would assume are the same but we have seen many times over the years both pharmacists and doctors insisting they are.

Pharmacists in plea to beat Brexit shortfall

Pharmacists are calling for emergency powers to switch patients to new medications without consulting their GPs in the event of Brexit-induced drugs shortages.


The Royal Pharmaceutical Society (RPS) wants the government to give chemists the same powers they would have during a pandemic, allowing them to choose a different drug if the usual prescription were unavailable. Currently, the change needs to be agreed with a patient’s GP.


“We’ve already got shortages in the market,” said Professor Ash Soni, president of the RPS. “We worry that under the circumstances of a no-deal Brexit, there would be issues around a group of drugs that are more significant than they are normally. We need the ability to be able to deal with that rapidly.”


If a drug is not available, doctors often find an alternative brand or generic version. For example, most patients on the blood pressure medication enalapril, sold under the brand name Vasotec, could be given lisinopril instead. However, the two drugs have different guidelines on side- effects and dosage.


Soni said the scale of potential shortages meant it would be “more sensible” to allow pharmacists to make substitutions directly with patients rather than “adding yet more pressure to general practices”.


The call for extra powers comes ahead of a key meeting of the Commons health and social care committee on Tuesday to consider the possible impact of a no-deal Brexit. Matt Hancock, the health secretary, and Mike Thompson, chief executive of the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, are among those due to give evidence.


There is growing concern that drug makers will be unable to meet stockpiling requirements before the March 29 Brexit deadline.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pharmacists-in-plea-to-beat-brexit-shortfall-38w8gv8g5?shareToken=a590f5dfd7a2ea0c0203869b06e7fc33

Adding: If they can't meet the requirements, just why are we in this handcart? Can the last brits to return from Dunkerque not just grab all the medicines they can from the pharmacies in the area?
 
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Bearing in mind the risks involved in Brexit, it is hard to see how any Government can continue with the process without some attempt to achieve a mandate from the people that will ensure whatever happens the mass of the population is onside and will not explode into various form of unrest when trouble financial or otherwise emerges.

To press ahead without a second confirmatory referendum with at least a 60/40 mandate favouring Brexit , in a referendum where the situation is better understood, and steps can be taken to avoid the sabotage carried out by the leave campaign and it's agents employing targetted advertising using stolen voter data, and illegal amounts of secretly sourced funds last time ,can only be regarded as taking a huge risk of public disorder.

To imagine that the depth and extent of the feelings expressed in yesterday's London protest means nothing is simply bloody foolish.

The nation is split down the middle on this, and the most dangerous thing to do is to ignore one half on the population to favour the other because a discredited Government is threatened by a lunatic fringe movement within it's own ranks and the handful of minority MP's seats for rent in the DUP , when the risks are obvious and dire of Brexit failing, and all we have supposedly in favour of it, are vague and meaningless promises and lies form a cadre of villains intent only on protecting their Tax havens, and in the expectation of making a killing out of selling off the NHS and the few remaining assets the nation still has.

And all of this the Fault of Conservatives and their policies, lies, machinations and propaganda.
Truly it is the biggest Mass mugging in Human history.
 
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oyster

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To press ahead without a second confirmatory referendum with at least a 60/40 mandate favouring Brexit , in a referendum where the situation is better understood, and steps can be taken to avoid the sabotage carried out by the leave campaign and it's agents employing targetted advertising using stolen voter data, and illegal amounts of secretly sourced funds last time ,can only be regarded as taking a huge risk of public disorder.
What could have been interesting, if we had a referendum every week/fortnight/month from original 2016 thing through to now, indeed through to brexit, should it eventually occur The idea that the turnout on one day over two years ago has set everything in concrete is madness. With continuing, regular referendums, we would have had a chance to demonstrate change of mind. As it is, we have to rely on opinion polls as a poor proxy for an official mechanism for registering our views. Further, by having been scheduled and agreed right up front, they would not have been subject to the bickering "shall we/shan't we" a bout a mere second chance to express our opinions..
 
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