The "rabid Remainers" know or knew what would and will happen in the event of the UK remaining. It is the " Brave Brexiteers" who do not know what will happen in a future, and yet crave for it.,whereas the Rabid Remainers, who also do not know what the future outside the EU will bring, do fear it. The distinction between Brave and Foolish and fear and caution, are fine lines. .. I am not one for risking the family silver,or jewels for that matter on the throw of a dice.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Oh, what a bitch!…….
JRM had this to say about John Major:
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Jacob Rees-Mogg Retweeted Robert Peston
Pity Sir John Major who was so heavily rejected by voters in 1997 and has never recovered.
Tom
JRM had this to say about John Major:
Jacob Rees-Mogg
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Jacob Rees-Mogg Retweeted Robert Peston
Pity Sir John Major who was so heavily rejected by voters in 1997 and has never recovered.
Tom
I'll have a crack at answering that.
Could it be because that's all that's been put in their by their owners?
Not terribly important, but Handel finished it in Dublin,scored it for two church choirs and then premiered it in Dublin. One would have hoped that senior Tories would remember that in the 1700s ,Ireland was a separate country,as the act of union was 1801.
You could have mentioned the weather or something as that was really boring having to read all those facts again but I suppose there are some who still haven't realised what 'Brexit' really means.
Perhaps the forum's latest contributor might wish to dwell on those half-dozen facts before he comes out with any more deluded nonsense?
Tom
Very true, or they could have used one of the existing redundant police fixed wing planes to trial the concept. Redundant because some regional police forces had used planes in the past, discovered that they were all but useless for police work and abandoned them in favour of helicopters. In the true public service spirit, NAPS had to make the previous mistakes all over again and waste £millions in the process.
Like the NHS, the police have plenty of money to operate effectively. The problem is that both have grossly incompetent people running and managing their daily activities. As a result, huge amounts of cash is being wasted. The incompetence extends all the way up to and through government.
The OECD! Huh, what do they know? We're British and we don't need any experts to tell us how to do anything. Once we get rid of all the foreigners here stealing our jobs and living on benefits, the UK will be great again and the EU can shove it! Our Dunkirk spirit will come to the fore once again and we'll manage; we'll get by ok and there will be plenty of dosh for the NHS when all them foreigners are kicked out back to wherever they came from……...
……..I think that's roughly the kind of dialogue minus a dozen or so expletives that I encountered time and again on our streets when I was out campaigning.
Well, here is another bunch of experts and they don't seem very optimistic about our future if we carry on with this Kamikaze mission towards secession from the EU.
Reverse Brexit with second referendum to save your economy, OECD tells UK
'The positive impact on growth would be significant,' influential thinktank says of reversing Brexit - as it forecasts £40bn cost of ploughing on
Tuesday 17 October 2017 11:52
Economic experts have made an explosive suggestion of a further referendum to reverse Brexit, to avoid the crippling of the British economy.
The influential Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) said the deadlock in the exit talks now threatened a “disorderly Brexit”, with severe consequences.
Its report controversially puts the case for a dramatic rethink on the agenda – suggesting halting EU withdrawal is a route to avoiding that fate.
“In case Brexit gets reversed by political decision (change of majority, new referendum, etc), the positive impact on growth would be significant,” the report said.
The suggestion is certain to infuriate Brexiteers, but will bolster campaigners calling for the British public to be given a second vote, when the “facts of Brexit” are known.
The report was immediately seized on by one pro-EU group as the “final nail in the coffin for the already long-buried notion that Brexit will benefit our economy”.
The OECD analysis suggests a “no-deal” Brexit would wipe up to a staggering £40bn off UK economic growth by 2019.
The UK economy will grow 1.5 per cent slower in 2019 if the country crashes out of the EU without a trade deal or a transition deal with the bloc in March 2019, it said.
Crucially, it makes the assumption that trade talks will break down - triggering a hard Brexit and slapping tariffs on imports and exports between the EU and UK.
Wes Streeting, a Labour MP and supporter of the Open Britain group, said: “Today’s OECD analysis should be the final nail in the coffin for the already long-buried notion that Brexit will benefit our economy.
“A hard Brexit or walking away without a deal would wreak even more punishment on the UK economy.
“The Government can avoid this if they drop their ideological and self-imposed red lines and start negotiating for continued membership of both the single market and the customs union.”
The Liberal Democrats – who support a further referendum, at the end of the negotiations - said the OECD’s report bolstered its campaign.
“This is a significant intervention the Government cannot afford to ignore,” said Jo Swinson, the party’s deputy leader.
“The case for protecting the economy by reversing Brexit is getting stronger by the day. Once the facts are clear at the end of this process, the British people must have the final say with a chance to exit from Brexit.”
The OECD admitted that Brexit negotiations were difficult to forecast, and could "prove more favourable" than assumed in its report - boosting trade, investment and growth.
But it warned the very real threat of no deal would spark a sharp reaction by financial markets, sending the exchange rate to new lows and leading to a downgrade in the UK's sovereign rating.
"Business investment would seize up, and heightened price pressures would choke off private consumption,” the report said.
“The current account deficit could be harder to finance, although its size would likely be reduced.
There are also risks that Scotland and Northern Ireland could vote to stay in the EU, in a second referendum, which would have a “major” impact on the national economy.
Yeah, what do experts know!
Tom
……..I think that's roughly the kind of dialogue minus a dozen or so expletives that I encountered time and again on our streets when I was out campaigning.
Well, here is another bunch of experts and they don't seem very optimistic about our future if we carry on with this Kamikaze mission towards secession from the EU.
Reverse Brexit with second referendum to save your economy, OECD tells UK
'The positive impact on growth would be significant,' influential thinktank says of reversing Brexit - as it forecasts £40bn cost of ploughing on
Tuesday 17 October 2017 11:52
Economic experts have made an explosive suggestion of a further referendum to reverse Brexit, to avoid the crippling of the British economy.
The influential Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) said the deadlock in the exit talks now threatened a “disorderly Brexit”, with severe consequences.
Its report controversially puts the case for a dramatic rethink on the agenda – suggesting halting EU withdrawal is a route to avoiding that fate.
“In case Brexit gets reversed by political decision (change of majority, new referendum, etc), the positive impact on growth would be significant,” the report said.
The suggestion is certain to infuriate Brexiteers, but will bolster campaigners calling for the British public to be given a second vote, when the “facts of Brexit” are known.
The report was immediately seized on by one pro-EU group as the “final nail in the coffin for the already long-buried notion that Brexit will benefit our economy”.
The OECD analysis suggests a “no-deal” Brexit would wipe up to a staggering £40bn off UK economic growth by 2019.
The UK economy will grow 1.5 per cent slower in 2019 if the country crashes out of the EU without a trade deal or a transition deal with the bloc in March 2019, it said.
Crucially, it makes the assumption that trade talks will break down - triggering a hard Brexit and slapping tariffs on imports and exports between the EU and UK.
Wes Streeting, a Labour MP and supporter of the Open Britain group, said: “Today’s OECD analysis should be the final nail in the coffin for the already long-buried notion that Brexit will benefit our economy.
“A hard Brexit or walking away without a deal would wreak even more punishment on the UK economy.
“The Government can avoid this if they drop their ideological and self-imposed red lines and start negotiating for continued membership of both the single market and the customs union.”
The Liberal Democrats – who support a further referendum, at the end of the negotiations - said the OECD’s report bolstered its campaign.
“This is a significant intervention the Government cannot afford to ignore,” said Jo Swinson, the party’s deputy leader.
“The case for protecting the economy by reversing Brexit is getting stronger by the day. Once the facts are clear at the end of this process, the British people must have the final say with a chance to exit from Brexit.”
The OECD admitted that Brexit negotiations were difficult to forecast, and could "prove more favourable" than assumed in its report - boosting trade, investment and growth.
But it warned the very real threat of no deal would spark a sharp reaction by financial markets, sending the exchange rate to new lows and leading to a downgrade in the UK's sovereign rating.
"Business investment would seize up, and heightened price pressures would choke off private consumption,” the report said.
“The current account deficit could be harder to finance, although its size would likely be reduced.
There are also risks that Scotland and Northern Ireland could vote to stay in the EU, in a second referendum, which would have a “major” impact on the national economy.
Yeah, what do experts know!
Tom
From what I can gather, it seems that most of the 'Brexidiots' around the UK are big supporters of the way Trump operates in the USA. They really haven't a clue about the USA, other than the distorted view presented to them by the extreme-right British media.
This is an example of what is going on in the deep south and it's just a whisper away from fiery crosses and hooded and gowned thugs taking control of their townships, making Sharia Law seem like a nice, respectable system of dealing with criminal matters:
Whatever some people may wish to call it, it's voter suppression - in an area where they like to inform all and sundry that the south will rise again! Have you seen 'Mississippi Burning'?
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Tom
This is an example of what is going on in the deep south and it's just a whisper away from fiery crosses and hooded and gowned thugs taking control of their townships, making Sharia Law seem like a nice, respectable system of dealing with criminal matters:
Whatever some people may wish to call it, it's voter suppression - in an area where they like to inform all and sundry that the south will rise again! Have you seen 'Mississippi Burning'?
42lZxIGOF1uFo637TEc9jP
Tom
Further confirmation if any were needed of Russian interference in the referendum
From the BBC
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More than 10 million tweets posted by suspected state-backed Russian and Iranian "troll farms" have been shared online by Twitter.
It has published more than 360GB of material to aid studies into how its platform has been used to try to influence the public.
The messages were posted from 2013 to 2018 and include references to the US presidential election and the UK's EU referendum.
In total, 4,570 accounts were involved.
Early analysis by the BBC's data journalism team indicates the word "Brexit" was mentioned in 3,789 tweets linked the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA), nearly all of which were published on the day of the vote or afterwards.
However, the hashtag #reasonstoleaveeu was also found to have been included in the text of 1,092 tweets posted on the day of the referendum.
Who won the referendum? there was only one winner, not 17.5million
And that winner was
Vladimir Putin
From the BBC
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More than 10 million tweets posted by suspected state-backed Russian and Iranian "troll farms" have been shared online by Twitter.
It has published more than 360GB of material to aid studies into how its platform has been used to try to influence the public.
The messages were posted from 2013 to 2018 and include references to the US presidential election and the UK's EU referendum.
In total, 4,570 accounts were involved.
Early analysis by the BBC's data journalism team indicates the word "Brexit" was mentioned in 3,789 tweets linked the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA), nearly all of which were published on the day of the vote or afterwards.
However, the hashtag #reasonstoleaveeu was also found to have been included in the text of 1,092 tweets posted on the day of the referendum.
Who won the referendum? there was only one winner, not 17.5million
And that winner was
Vladimir Putin
From the Independent
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Theresa May rejected an EU offer designed to rescue a Brexit deal because it would add billions more to the £39bn “divorce bill”, The Independent has learned.
Brussels floated a one-year extension to the post-departure transition period, until the end of 2021, to make it less likely the Irish border “backstop” would be needed – and, therefore, easier for the UK to accept.
But an extension would require paying billions extra to the EU, when the exit bill has already angered Tory MPs, prompting the prime minister to stamp on the idea.
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Theresa May rejected an EU offer designed to rescue a Brexit deal because it would add billions more to the £39bn “divorce bill”, The Independent has learned.
Brussels floated a one-year extension to the post-departure transition period, until the end of 2021, to make it less likely the Irish border “backstop” would be needed – and, therefore, easier for the UK to accept.
But an extension would require paying billions extra to the EU, when the exit bill has already angered Tory MPs, prompting the prime minister to stamp on the idea.
I deleted that post OG. Could you delete your post #37111?
Tom
Tom
.. again and again, this is a proposal which needs UNANIMOUS support from the 27 members of the European Council. I would consider this likely,but not assured. . Say a 70/ 30 or 80/20 bet. And if the rhetoric from London continues at its offensive level, maybe 90/10 . This is in the grounds that if the UK is not going to make a concerted effort, we might as well get the pain over now,and move on.
Here we go again
From the Telegraph
Theresa May open to extending Brexit transition period by a year as she asks EU for 'creative' ideas
Cancel Brexit?
From the Telegraph
Theresa May open to extending Brexit transition period by a year as she asks EU for 'creative' ideas
Cancel Brexit?
And a Joke in the Telegraph too
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Allister HeathIn 30 years' time historians will wonder why the elites feared Brexit so much"
Seriously I wonder at the sanity of this Clown, he doesn't know the difference between feared and desired.
How can he try to portray Brexit as a situation desired and created by the Voters?
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Allister HeathIn 30 years' time historians will wonder why the elites feared Brexit so much"
Seriously I wonder at the sanity of this Clown, he doesn't know the difference between feared and desired.
How can he try to portray Brexit as a situation desired and created by the Voters?
Which reminded me, do you remember the Edgely Optica?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgley_Optica
Weren't we going to lead the world in observation aircraft?
same old tory's solution: tax cuts, more privatisation of public services and deregulation.
Another piece of magical thinking is that city jobs would come back from Paris to London because Jean-Luc Melenchon would be France's new president and impose 100% tax rate on high earners.
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Brexiteers are losing the plot.
Finding it hard to keep up with the word-eating, re-definitions, etc.
Brexit: Row erupts over Commons 'meaningful vote'
Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has riled some MPs after appearing to suggest Parliament might not get a so-called "meaningful vote" on any deal.
Some MPs want the right to amend whatever Theresa May eventually comes back with, but Mr Raab hinted it may only be a "take it or leave it" choice.
The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg says it's a "big fat row waiting to happen".
The argument erupted as Theresa May struggled to make progress with the EU in Brussels on Wednesday.
The Tory MP who led the calls for a meaningful vote demanded a "very rapid assurance" from the government that the Commons will be able to amend any potential Brexit deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45897488
Brexit: Row erupts over Commons 'meaningful vote'
Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has riled some MPs after appearing to suggest Parliament might not get a so-called "meaningful vote" on any deal.
Some MPs want the right to amend whatever Theresa May eventually comes back with, but Mr Raab hinted it may only be a "take it or leave it" choice.
The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg says it's a "big fat row waiting to happen".
The argument erupted as Theresa May struggled to make progress with the EU in Brussels on Wednesday.
The Tory MP who led the calls for a meaningful vote demanded a "very rapid assurance" from the government that the Commons will be able to amend any potential Brexit deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45897488