Brexit, for once some facts.

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After all who is the main beneficiary of disruption to the EU ?
the US: more FTAs in less favourable terms with the USA, more military spending on US fighter jets or nuclear submarines.
Forget Russia. They are not going to invade anyone, their economy is the size of Italy's and their products not well marketed here.
 
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the US: more FTAs in less favourable terms with the USA, more military spending on US fighter jets or nuclear submarines.
Forget Russia. They are not going to invade anyone, their economy is the size of Italy and their products not well marketed here.
You are ignoring the ongoing disputes between Putin and the EU over various matters that are political in nature.
 
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You are ignoring the ongoing disputes between Putin and the EU over various matters that are political in nature.
nothing new, there will always be disputes, with the US prodding the EU to get into conflict with its Russian neighbour via NATO.
Modern warfare is cheap computers, mobile phones, IOTs, social media and fake news.
The USA dominate totally these areas. Forget nuclear bombs, nobody wins wars nowadays by threatening their neighbours with the bomb.
 
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nothing new, there will always be disputes, with the US prodding the EU to get into conflict with its Russian neighbour via NATO.
Modern warfare is cheap computers, mobile phones, IOTs, social media and fake news.
The USA dominate totally these areas. Forget nuclear bombs, nobody wins wars nowadays by threatening their neighbours with the bomb.
No, they just invest their roubles in brexit by funding subversives
And I suspect before long proof of that will emerge.

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No one would profess to being Brexit-ready because there are too many variables in there,” “We need a deal. If we have no deal, there is no transition, there is no implementation period, that would kick in less than eight months away. You can operate on WTO [World Trade Organization] trade rules but it would be at a significant extra cost and burden than we currently enjoy.
Asked if there were any potential Brexit benefits for the British automotive industry, which employs 186,000 people and has a combined annual turnover of £82bn, he said: “Not that we can see.”

The SMMT has repeatedly called for continued membership of the single market and the customs union, warning that prolonged uncertaintyputs thousands of jobs at risk.

Brexit effect is already here....my own business had its worse month in June on the UK market for many years,thank goodness for exports.
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Someone help me with this , I'm struggling with the concept that by implication the Tory party selects its MP's from "The pretty ones"
My God!
Sorry Tom
Whereas I am struggling with oldtom disliking my post (about Emily Maitlis being quite good against IEA).

No, it is hardly a scintillating post, but the message, that at least one part of the BBC can try to be relatively tough, seems to accord with oldtom's response. Emily repeatedly tried to get an explanation of why the IEA access is not transparent.
 
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Meanwhile, there is a short news item here about the 'Brexidiots' views on immigration:


This too is most informative:


Tom
Crikey Tom! Two videos that don't make the page jump around unreadable! :p
 
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Someone help me with this , I'm struggling with the concept that by implication the Tory party selects its MP's from "The pretty ones"
My God!
Sorry Tom
I know; it beggars belief but there are several institutions, the BBC for another example, which offer secure long-term employment at inflated salaries paid for out of the public purse, for all those dyed-in-the-wool tories, not to mention various sexual perverts, who are unable to find themselves a safe parliamentary seat.

So long as they can string a few sentences together and subscribe to Thatcherism and the doctrine of the British media moguls, they are guaranteed a job for life.

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oyster

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I can't see a dislike attached to that post at my end; nor can I remember making such a choice - I don't understand??

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Nor do I - now!!! Am I going mad? Maybe. But was quite sure there was when I looked this morning.

You are more than welcome to disagree - but I couldn't fathom why!
 
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Nor do I - now!!! Am I going mad? Maybe. But was quite sure there was when I looked this morning.

You are more than welcome to disagree - but I couldn't fathom why!
It was there but has now gone. We've had some odd occurrences before with these, so possibly one of those.
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Take a prescription drug? Here’s how Brexit could put you at risk
Ash Soni
Getting medicines to pharmacies is a complex process. If European supply chains are disrupted, there could be shortages

Tue 31 Jul 2018 13.39 BST Last modified on Tue 31 Jul 2018 16.34 BST




‘Everyone takes it for granted that they will be able to get their medicines when they need them.’ Photograph: Photofusion/REX/Shutterstock



Medicines form an essential part of the care provided by the NHS. More than one billion items are dispensed annually through community pharmacies, and the total bill for medicines is more than £17bn. For patients with long-term conditions such as diabetes, asthma or schizophrenia, daily medicines play a vital role in maintaining their health and wellbeing.


Much, much more - especially if you include the vast number of comments, here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/31/prescription-drug-brexit-pharmacy-supply-chains-shortages#comment-118959111
 
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Another piece - has anyone already posted it? - from Guardian:


M20 could be giant lorry park for years in event of no-deal Brexit – report



Impact assessment by Dover council says urgent clarity is needed from the government

A “temporary solution” to managing cross-Channel traffic in the event of a no-deal Brexit risks turning much of the M20 into a giant lorry park for many years, a report says.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/31/m20-lorry-park-no-deal-brexit-dover-council

I am so very pleased that I live so far away. However, who knows what effect it could have even on the smaller ports like Pembroke Dock and Fishguard?
 
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Another piece - has anyone already posted it? - from Guardian:


M20 could be giant lorry park for years in event of no-deal Brexit – report



Impact assessment by Dover council says urgent clarity is needed from the government

A “temporary solution” to managing cross-Channel traffic in the event of a no-deal Brexit risks turning much of the M20 into a giant lorry park for many years, a report says.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/31/m20-lorry-park-no-deal-brexit-dover-council

I am so very pleased that I live so far away. However, who knows what effect it could have even on the smaller ports like Pembroke Dock and Fishguard?
When Operation Stack is used to store lorries it makes minor road movement in Kent impossible because everyone uses the minor roads to try to avoid the motorway,Kent becomes gridlocked.
This is not Project Fear this is project reality.
It will be the end of Just in Time deliveries to car assemblers,the likes of BMW will have no choice than to move their factories onto mainland Europe.
I am always amazed that interviewers don’t press JRM and Boris on what they intend as a solution....the Irish border is a political problem,Calais-Dover is a practical problem.
No government can take us into such a catastrophe,can it ?
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When Operation Stack is used to store lorries it makes minor road movement in Kent impossible because everyone uses the minor roads to try to avoid the motorway,Kent becomes gridlocked.
This is not Project Fear this is project reality.
It will be the end of Just in Time deliveries to car assemblers,the likes of BMW will have no choice than to move their factories onto mainland Europe.
I am always amazed that interviewers don’t press JRM and Boris on what they intend as a solution....the Irish border is a political problem,Calais-Dover is a practical problem.
No government can take us into such a catastrophe,can it ?
KudosDave
My luck has meant rarely having any problem going through Kent - despite having to drive past miles of lorries once or twice. But I can't imagine how bad it is for those who live there.
 
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Looking at the papers today it's quite striking how quiet the Moggy faction are at the moment over the spate of dire prophecies of shortages to come
Instead the Express said this
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Brexit news: Japan pledges to back UK in trade deal after EU exit
JAPAN will back the UK in its bid for a trans-Pacific trade deal after Brexit, a Japanese cabinet minister has assured International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

Actually it didn't!
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But Japanese minister Toshimitsu Motegi said Tokyo would "spare no efforts to support the UK" in joining CPTPP in a meeting with Dr Fox on his trip to Japan.

Mr Motegi said: "I'd like to welcome your country's expression of interest in acceding to TPP11.

"Your expression of interest is indeed a great encouragement to our efforts to attach importance to the free-trade system based on rules, and to fight against protectionism.

"Japan will not spare any effort to support the UK, including providing relevant information, and acting as an intermediary to you in relation to other TPP member countries."

And this was pure Gobbledegook

"Your expression of interest is indeed a great encouragement to our efforts to attach importance to the free-trade system based on rules, and to fight against protectionism.

So rules are not protectionism? then it aint worth joining if it offers no protection is it?
And why are we leaving the best free trade area in the world to join this second or third ranker?
 
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Kudoscycles

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My luck has meant rarely having any problem going through Kent - despite having to drive past miles of lorries once or twice. But I can't imagine how bad it is for those who live there.
It’s interesting that the contra flow planned for the M20 is to be called Operation Brock....the government deny that ‘Brock’ is an acronym for Brexit Operations across Kent....if it isn’t why choose Brock,what does it mean?
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It’s interesting that the contra flow planned for the M20 is to be called Operation Brock....the government deny that ‘Brock’ is an acronym for Brexit Operations across Kent....if it isn’t why choose Brock,what does it mean?
KudosDave
You need to badger them until they come clean about the meaning. ;)

Adding: Just looked it up and got "Broken Record Of Clown Knowledge"
 

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