Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

Are you seriously suggesting that there is zero unemployment in that area? That the Job Centre is a desolate wilderness and this is caused by a birth and immigration rate which is too low? I don’t think you believe that for one minute. So why say it?

The job offered by Wisper would make a benefit sponger about £50 a week better off if under 25 or about £30 for one over 25. Who’s going to work 40 hours for £30 to £50 a week? This isn’t Wisper’s fault, it’s too easy to stay on benefits when a job is available, and that is the governments fault aided by fake socialist campaigners quoting the sort of garbage which appears in your post.

. There are two responses to that.. either the unemployment benefits are so high that one would be a fool to work, or the wages being offered are insufficient. Now I dont see people on welfare leading a high life.
A person working is required to appear on time, wear clothes, not pajamas and travel..maybe even pay taxes.
If the value of the work to be done is such that Whisper(or others, this is not personal ) cannot pay a living wage, then they need to rethink the nature of the work.

 

[Danidl]

that's not answering the question. It's like a politicians distraction tactic

.. just like an irrelevant comment about southern Europe!.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I think that's rather a generalisation Zlatan, the guys that work here are well paid and well looked after, I pay nearly £1,000 a week to my Romanian tech manager. I also employ UK workers and they are all paid on the same scale depending on experience. I do not differentiate based on nationality.

I am not exploiting these people, I am taking advantage of underemployment in their counties to make my business work. I currently have a back order book of 253 bikes with more orders coming in every hour, I need more people I simply can't find them here in the UK.

I mentioned that I didn't have one application for the job advertised early this year, that's not strictly true. One Herbert did pitch up, late, and practically told me that he was only here to meet his interview target for his "Job Seeker's Allowance". He made it very clear that he didn't want the job.

What the UK will do if we cannot keep hold of these amazing, loyal and hard working people goodness knows.

 

[tillson]

So you think the shortages in industries like ours, and nurses, and engineers and builders etc etc, is solved by walking into the Job Centre? I think you might need to try employing some people at the moment, and you'll realise that the problem is much deeper and not solved by giving the people who need jobs, the jobs that are available. In many many many cases they aren't suitable for a host of reasons I'm sure you don't need me to go into.

People need training and that’s not been happening because of free movement and importing cheap skilled labour which someone else has paid for.

Like everyone else, at one point in my life I wasn’t trained or educated to do anything. You do something about it, not just sit drawing benefits whilst jobs are going begging.

 

[gray198]

.. just like an irrelevant comment about southern Europe!.

it's an uncomfortable truth. Not irrelevant

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I offer full training as do most companies. The people I have employed are young and just out of uni. They study hard to learn English on top of learning the tech side of the ebike market.

 

[tillson]

. There are two responses to that.. either the unemployment benefits are so high that one would be a fool to work, or the wages being offered are insufficient. Now I dont see people on welfare leading a high life.
A person working is required to appear on time, wear clothes, not pajamas and travel..maybe even pay taxes.
If the value of the work to be done is such that Whisper(or others, this is not personal ) cannot pay a living wage, then they need to rethink the nature of the work.

Choosing not to work, when you are able bodied, and there is a job available paying equal to or greater than benefits is out of the question. The benefits should be immediately withdrawn and if the person deliberately performs poorly in order to lose the job and return to benefits, same result, no free money.

I do think we should have establishments which offer basic shelter, nutrition and further opportunity to work and progress for these people though.

 

[flecc]

instead of Junkers attracting every major company to register in Luxembourg why not give companies incentives to invest in low employment regions. The EU pretends to do so

This is nonsense. FIAT's most efficient domestic plant is in the traditionally poor Southern Italy thanks to EU grants. Nissan is in deprived Sunderland thanks to EU grants supporting ours.

Europe is littered with other examples like these, the EU doing exactly what you say it should.
.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

People need training and that’s not been happening because of free movement and importing cheap skilled labour which someone else has paid for.

Like everyone else, at one point in my life I wasn’t trained or educated to do anything. You do something about it, not just sit drawing benefits whilst jobs are going begging.

So are you happy with the free movement around the UK? Or free movement around Yorkshire?

I suspect you're getting your chickens and eggs mixed up. But you are correct the lack of training is a problem with the UK governments policies on education. But we do have pretty low unemployment in this country compared to many in Europe as has been pointed out, so we must be doing something right.

We just been more people to help sustain the industries we're developing.

Free movement is not perfect, but stopping it isn't going to solve the problems, it'll make them worse.

 

[Zlatan]

I think that's rather a generalisation Zlatan, the guys that work here are well paid and well looked after, I pay nearly £1,000 a week to my Romanian tech manager. I also employ UK workers and they are all paid on the same scale depending on experience. I do not differentiate based on nationality.

I am not exploiting these people, I am taking advantage of underemployment in their counties to make my business work. I currently have a back order book of 253 bikes with more orders coming in every hour, I need more people I simply can't find them here in the UK.

I mentioned that I didn't have one application for the job advertised early this year, that's not strictly true. One Herbert did pitch up, late, and practically told me that he was only here to meet his interview target for his "Job Seeker's Allowance". He made it very clear that he didn't want the job.

What the UK will do if we cannot keep hold of these amazing, loyal and hard working people goodness knows.

I think that's rather a generalisation Zlatan, the guys that work here are well paid and well looked after, I pay nearly £1,000 a week to my Romanian tech manager. I also employ UK workers and they are all paid on the same scale depending on experience. I do not differentiate based on nationality.

I am not exploiting these people, I am taking advantage of underemployment in their counties to make my business work. I currently have a back order book of 253 bikes with more orders coming in every hour, I need more people I simply can't find them here in the UK.

I mentioned that I didn't have one application for the job advertised early this year, that's not strictly true. One Herbert did pitch up, late, and practically told me that he was only here to meet his interview target for his "Job Seeker's Allowance". He made it very clear that he didn't want the job.

What the UK will do if we cannot keep hold of these amazing, loyal and hard working people goodness knows.

I think your answer was wrongly directed at me .. No problem but couldn't see relevance to my post? ??

 

[Zlatan]

This is nonsense. FIAT's most efficient domestic plant is in the traditionally poor Southern Italy thanks to EU grants. Nissan is in deprived Sunderland thanks to EU grants supporting ours.

Europe is littered with other examples like these, the EU doing exactly what you say it should.
.

So why is Southern Europe running over 40% youth unemployed.?
Amazing how EU is responsible for positive examples but has nothing to do with failures.

 

[oldgroaner]

The example given by Wisper Bikes is unacceptable. Here is a company offering a decent job and nobody wants it. How can that be right? It’s fair to assume that this is replicated up down the country. A benefits culture which promotes this type of behaviour is totally on acceptable and needs bringing to an abrupt end.

We are also overpopulating, and yet again it’s those least able to support a family that are having the most children. Fat, gum chewing, McDonalds devouring monstrosities are squeezing out future claimants in maternity wards all over the country. It’s an exponentially growing burden which the hard working mugs on PAYE are funding. Rest assured that the vocal celebrity socialist campaigners and supportive media pundits have their money squirrelled away and untouchable.

Maybe it would help if maternity wards for these grotesque benefit consuming “whale mothers” consisted of a gazebo in the corner of the Hospital car park. Staffed by a dirty finger nailed mid-wife call Derek wielding a 2KW Dyson in one hand and a set of BBQ tongues in the other. What do you think?

I think that you forget why the benefits culture came into being.
Any idea why? lets see

1. Was it because successive Tory and Labour Governments suddenly became generous and wanted to benefit the public?
2. Was it to buy peace after the full time jobs and long term security needed to raise a family had disappeared after deindustrialisation?

And now because you object to paying to maintain this situation you imagine you can get away with simply punishing these people you despise into accepting that not having a means to have a long term future, raise a family etc they will live the life of menials so your cosy lifestyle if protected?
Do you imagine you will get away with that?

Apparently the Government didn't agree or they wouldn't have created the welfare situation in the first place would they?

Unless you want riots on your hands you need to offer long term security that these people your prejudice causes you to despise before you judge and condemn them to being menials to save you money.

The only monstrosities in this country are those that imagine themselves better than anyone else and look down on others less fortunate because they are lucky enough to be employed.

Society is here for the benefit of all, if not it is just a rat race.
If you want these people to work why have you voted for Brexit, which will destroy jobs?

 

[flecc]

So why is Southern Europe running over 40% youth unemployed.?
Amazing how EU is responsible for positive examples but has nothing to do with failures.

How many times must I point out that the EU can only support members internal affairs, they can't govern directly. They are doing what they can by financially supporting members moves to reduce unemployment, but they can't impose that. That's due to the intact sovereignty of member countries.

Of course if Leavers would stop opposing the formation of a unified country called Europe, the European Parliament would be able to take charge and do what is necessary.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

So why is Southern Europe running over 40% youth unemployed.?
Amazing how EU is responsible for positive examples but has nothing to do with failures.

And the rest of the EU at 20%?
They have an initiative aimed at working on that , as usual you have conveniently omitted that haven't you?

 

[Zlatan]

So why is Southern Europe running over 40% youth unemployed.?
Amazing how EU is responsible for positive examples but has nothing to do with failures.

My point about leaving souther Europe and being exploited was not directed at you Wisper. Apologies, it was a general comment. I do see connection. My fault.

 

[oldgroaner]

How many times must I point out that the EU can only support members internal affairs, they can't govern directly. They are doing what they can by financially supporting members moves to reduce unemployment, but they can't impose that. That's due to the intact sovereignty of member countries.

Of course if Leavers would stop opposing the formation of a unified country called Europe, the European Parliament would be able to take charge and do what is necessary.
.

He prefers to use either of these two arguments as it suits him
either
a) The EU is a powerful Bully
b) The EU is weak and can't do any good.

Usual rubbish, and you can add "The EU is Corrupt" and "The EU is undemocratic"
Boring and fatuous, as the same and worse applies in this country.

 

[Zlatan]

And the rest of the EU at 20%?
They have an initiative aimed at working on that , as usual you have conveniently omitted that haven't you?

Yes, they have all sorts of crusades going on. Anti corruption anti racist pro employment... Blah blah blah. All failing whilst Junkers carries on getting richer and falling over.

 

[Zlatan]

a) The EU is a powerful Bully
b) The EU is weak and can't do any good.

and you can add "The EU is Corrupt" and "The EU is undemocratic"
Boring and fatuous,

You are getting idea. Well said OG.

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes, they have all sorts of crusades going on. Anti corruption anti racist pro employment... Blah blah blah. All failing whilst Junkers carries on getting richer and falling over.

The crusade against offshore bank accounts was a huge success, after all it was worth supporting Brexit for the ERA wasn't it?
And still you keep up these corny and now utterly irrelevant attacks on EU politicians.

How can what they do be any of your concern now? do you have to keep justifying your voting the wrong way in the referendum?

What have you to offer that places Brexit in a positive light to a better future?

 

[oldgroaner]

You are getting idea. Well said OG.

look again I was adding them to your list of utterances, even you could have worked that out.