Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

My thoughts are that both The Telegraph and Express made this report because Boris Johnson has stated that Brexit is a mess and that his reason for doing so is because Brexit is a mess.

And it's no surprise that this is his view, considering the mess it's made of his personal ambitions.

Like the rest of the establishment he felt certain Remain would win the referendum, leaving him well poised to be Cameron's rival for PM and a popular choice with the public.

But that all went horribly wrong, leaving him despised by the Remain half of the public and in a job that shows up all his weaknesses.
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[oldgroaner]

Has it ever crossed your mind that sometimes newspapers report the truth? They are not slavishly bound to reporting only lies, sometimes there is truth within their columns. When a person becomes obsessed and highly passionate regarding one particular agenda, as you are, there is a tendency to become blind to balanced reporting.

The situation becomes binary. For example, if the news text contains information which does not suit the agenda, then in the eyes of the obsessed it consists of lies, half truths and propaganda. If the text fits the agenda, then there exists in the mind of the obsessed, suspicion, mistrust or alignment with the sentiments of the article. There is no half-way house, no ability to take a holistic view or to try and extract common elements from a wide variety of sources.

My thoughts are that both The Telegraph and Express made this report because Boris Johnson has stated that Brexit is a mess and that his reason for doing so is because Brexit is a mess.

Thank you for the sermon vicar, but the truth is that these papers work to an agenda, and this report is either truth that they blundered into accidentally, which is extremely unlikely, or they are, possibly being directed in a new direction by their paymasters.

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[Kudoscycles]

Looks like this letter to May is a declaration of war inside the Tories.....

More than 60 backbench Conservative MPs have sent Theresa May a list of hard Brexit demands ahead of a crunch meeting, triggering a furious reaction from colleagues who branded the letter a “ransom note”.

As dozens of members of the party’s European Research Group added their names to the correspondence setting out their expectations for Brexit with “full regulatory autonomy”, other Tory politicians hit back.

Nicky Morgan, an advocate for a soft Brexit who chairs the Treasury select committee, said: “This isn’t a letter, it is a ransom note. The ERG clearly think they have the prime minister as their hostage.” Tory MP Anna Soubry, another vocal Tory opponent of hard Brexit, said the letter was “very disappointing”.

The letter was sent to May as well as the Brexit secretary, David Davis, the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, and the chief whip, Julian Smith, amid efforts to agree within cabinet what the UK will ask for in a future trading relationship.

The Tory bastards panicking that we are headed towards BRINO,hehe
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

The government would support a special deal for EU farm workers after Brexit, Michael Gove has signalled.

The environment secretary said the case for a seasonal agricultural workers scheme after the UK leaves the EU next year was "compelling."

Agriculture needed access to foreign workers to remain productive and profitable, he told the National Farming Union's annual conference.

NFU president Meurig Raymond said a "reliable workforce" was essential.

Gove now seems to acknowledge that migrant workers from anywhere are essential to harvest our crops,surprise surprise the EU workers dont want to work here anymore. I thought one of the aims of Brexit was that the 1.4 million UK unemployed ,if we got rid of the EU workers, would give the Brits these jobs,so why do we have to look for workers from the rest of the world.???
Surely,Brexiters should be happy that there is now some work on the farms...work on the farms in summer,work in Amazon in the winter,what could be better.?????
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

work on the farms in summer, work in Amazon in the winter,what could be better.?????

Having a life worth living?
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[oldgroaner]

I looks like they have finally lost it completely in the Express
"
Barnier SIDELINED: UK pushes on with DIRECT Brexit talks with nations - ENOUGH of Brussels
MINISTERS working to deliver Brexit are enjoying a “different dynamic” now Britain has begun talking trade with individual countries rather than dealing directly with Brussels.

The dynamic is that they are kidding themselves they are actually going to get anywhere with that stupid tack!

 

[anotherkiwi]

I looks like they have finally lost it completely in the Express
"
Barnier SIDELINED: UK pushes on with DIRECT Brexit talks with nations - ENOUGH of Brussels
MINISTERS working to deliver Brexit are enjoying a “different dynamic” now Britain has begun talking trade with individual countries rather than dealing directly with Brussels.

The dynamic is that they are kidding themselves they are actually going to get anywhere with that stupid tack!

So they are trying to leave Europe not the EU? This is getting confusing...

 

[tillson]

Thank you for the sermon vicar,

You are welcome.

 

[oldgroaner]

So they are trying to leave Europe not the EU? This is getting confusing...

No no no! surely they are trying to Join Europe and leave the EU?
(Or perhaps a permutation of the two dependent on which day of the week it is)
Tomorrow, who knows? not "Them" for sure!

 

[oldgroaner]

An example of Tory thinking for the Future?

A post from the Bath Conservative Association cited prominent food campaigner Jack Monroe's blog about struggling to feed her child.


Big hearted of them, after all they could have quoted the pre second world war Japanese who subsisted on three bowls of rice a day.

The reality we face is Indolent and dysfunctional politicians who make a living as a parasitic growth on the Public.

How dare you use Jack Monroe's struggle to survive for your own squalid guttersnipe political agenda?
Come on now lets see you all , prove that you can do the same for six months, yes?

Needless to say there was a U turn and the original tweet was replaced with this

Not intended to insult:Hmm

So The words "Indolent and dysfuntional" are not to be considered insulting when being used in the context that a family should be grateful to receive handouts that can only result in a standard of living below the poverty line?

 

[oldgroaner]

Every day in every way it gets a little better
"
Jeremy Corbyn was in Derbyshire when ex-Czech spy claims they met in London, leader's records show

The Labour leader 's spokesman branded the former agent's claims 'utterly ridiculous' as Theresa May joked about them in the House of Commons"
"From the Independent"

 

[oldgroaner]

I have been checking out the "European research Group" (So called)
Chaired by none other than Jackass Grease Smug.
Interesting that they are funded by taxpayers money from expenses though the group while Mp's are unelected as an entity.
They are in fact a right wing political party that has suborned the Tory Vote and as such highly dubious to say the least as, they are not responsible for what they say and do to the electorate, yet can it seems control Government Policy.

The ERG is an unelected Parasitic Organisation that we collectively pay for,and it is working against our interests.

 

[oldtom]

It seems like the British news media have finally got something on Corbyn:



You can read the full story here:
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Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Every day in every way it gets a little better
"
Jeremy Corbyn was in Derbyshire when ex-Czech spy claims they met in London, leader's records show

The Labour leader 's spokesman branded the former agent's claims 'utterly ridiculous' as Theresa May joked about them in the House of Commons"
"From the Independent"

And of course there was the so called "Stazi" file

Perhaps the Tory press should be compelled to print this

Time the Press was made to be truthful or face legal sentences for the Perpetrators.

 

[oldgroaner]

the Telegraph this morning
"
Cabinet did not agree to Theresa May's strategy for Brexit transition period, senior ministers say
And the leader of the Taxpayer funded Fascist unelected Party the ERG
"
Jacob Rees-MoggBrexit transition strategy document is a 'perversion of democracy'"

Well at least he is an expert in that! the ERG trying to influence Government Policy is hugely ironic considering Jackass and co have railed about unelected bureacracy being an EU failing.

And today we have the Eleventh hour spectacle of a 2pm meeting at Cheuquers to try to figure out what to do about negotiations with the EU?

Here's a suggestion Don't Bother, just ask for Article 50 to be returned,as it is cancelled, and resign en-masse, so somebody competent can be elected to replace you.

 

[oldgroaner]

More Fun in the Express
"
Jacob Rees-Mogg SLAMS secret Whitehall Brexit dossier for saying 'we must remain' in EU
JACOB Rees-Mogg has launched a blistering attack on the Government over a leaked Whitehall dossier that failed to offer assurances the UK would ever leave a Brexit transition period."

So at least one of the inmates isn't completely stupid?

 

[Woosh]

More Fun in the Express
"
Jacob Rees-Mogg SLAMS secret Whitehall Brexit dossier for saying 'we must remain' in EU
JACOB Rees-Mogg has launched a blistering attack on the Government over a leaked Whitehall dossier that failed to offer assurances the UK would ever leave a Brexit transition period."

So at least one of the inmates isn't completely stupid?

it seems that the battle for brexit is shifting now to the economy.
JRM's camp wants straightforward deregulation, claiming that the EU employs thousands of technocrats to create ever more rules, making more things illegal (eg Dyson's more powerful vacuum cleaners) costing businesses a lot of money, the EU imposes import duty costing households a lot of money, the EU also pushes governments to raise taxes, to them, that's robbery. The reason that JRM equates TM's stance to a secret remainer's is her refusing to state an end date now for the transition. That is equal to leaving the door ajar for kicking the can further down the road in 2020.

How can you change the view of millions of voters that taxes are robbery? That's the key question for brexit.

 

[oldtom]

JACOB Rees-Mogg has launched a blistering attack on the Government over a leaked Whitehall dossier that failed to offer assurances the UK would ever leave a Brexit transition period."

Politics is simply a game to 'grease smug'.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

Politics is simply a game to 'grease smug'.

Tom

I disagree.
As much as I dislike that man's politics, his view is endorsed by millions of voters.

How can you change the view of millions of voters that taxes are robbery? That's the key question for brexit.

 

[oldtom]

Once again a spreader of lies is shown to be unable to verify outrageous claims about another person. The nonsense about parliamentary privilege needs to be abolished so that the full weight of the law can be brought to bear on those who libel and/or slander other people.

I can see no other way by which politicians, media moguls, programme editors and political pundits can be prevented from deliberately lying to the British people.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=584140491931342

Tom