there is no real need for us to diverge from EU standard where our largest trading partners are. After brexit, we only need to say that we accept EU standards but not the ECJ.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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but then one shouldn't be the leader of the opposition.
Let someone capable of getting off the fence do the job.
But are your government's views aligned with the EU...I havent seen any indication from the EU that they are going to accept anything other than a hard customs border between the north and south.
As I have said previously they have worked hard to protect these anti dumping duties including extending the red rings around Malaysia,Indonesia and the Philippines to stop smuggling by the back door and these countries are thousands of miles away....they are hardly likely to allow a 310 mile long gaping hole on their doorstep. You know the Irish are quite canny if a loophole exists to earn a buck!!!!!!
KudosDave
UK courts will police the standards in the UK, international courts if it is exported goods.
Just as it's horses for courses, so it's tactics for circumstances.
His tactics are the wisest at present, let the Tories make a mess of the impossible task of leaving the EU without loss, and thus them getting the blame.
Meanwhile Jeremy keeps a low profile, ready to pop up on the attack at the appropriate time. And we know from his performance just prior to the election that he can surprise with unexpected ability.
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No, only today that was elucidated. EU standards are subject to ECJ judgement and rulings, not to any other country's court.
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No he didn't. After she resigned he agreed that was a sensible thing for her to do.
Again the easy course.
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We don't want a hard border on the island. The NI people don't want a hard border, the UK claim they don't want a hard border, the EU recognise that sorting out the Irish UK border is one of the three primary problems to be sorted out before access arrangements can be made. They don't want a hard border on the island either....
The only ways it can be avoided are.
1 Ireland rejoins the UK and also therefore exits... A none runner
2. The UK remains in a customs union, de facto
3 some new fudge is created
It is urgent. Note that it is not just the land border, as significant amounts of Scotland and particularly the Scottish isles are visible from the republic, and are just a short boat trip away. Their coastal areas runs into additional 100s of miles and would matter if valuable cargo such as people smuggling or drugs were in play.
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Another U-turn by Theresa May...she absolutely said that one of her red lines was no jurisdiction by the ECJ,her position paper today reveals the following,apologies for the cut n paste....
Theresa May was today accused of a climbdown over the future sovereignty of British courts after a newly published government paper appeared to leave open the possibility that the European court of justice would influence UK law after Brexit.
The latest of a flurry of Brexit policy papers, due to be published on Wednesday, will repeat the government’s insistence that the “direct jurisdiction” of the Luxembourg-based ECJ must end when Britain leaves the EU in March 2019.
But it will set out a range of options for resolving future disputes between Britain and the EU – over the rules of any new trade deal, for example – some of which are likely to involve European judges, or the application of ECJ case law.
So what is 'indirect jurisdiction'.....?????
She was forced to do this because of the pressure from the airlines to continue the 'open skies' agreemtnt.
May,the champion of the Brexiteers,is also the champion of the U-turn...she talks 'strong and stable' but the reality is 'weak and wobbly',hehe
Bet Farage spilt has beer on that one.
Whats the next U-turn....Ireland border or euro 60 billion plus divorce bill?
Who was it on this forum who said negotiations are going quite well?
I make the score EU 5 v UK 0.
KudosDave
Theresa May was today accused of a climbdown over the future sovereignty of British courts after a newly published government paper appeared to leave open the possibility that the European court of justice would influence UK law after Brexit.
The latest of a flurry of Brexit policy papers, due to be published on Wednesday, will repeat the government’s insistence that the “direct jurisdiction” of the Luxembourg-based ECJ must end when Britain leaves the EU in March 2019.
But it will set out a range of options for resolving future disputes between Britain and the EU – over the rules of any new trade deal, for example – some of which are likely to involve European judges, or the application of ECJ case law.
So what is 'indirect jurisdiction'.....?????
She was forced to do this because of the pressure from the airlines to continue the 'open skies' agreemtnt.
May,the champion of the Brexiteers,is also the champion of the U-turn...she talks 'strong and stable' but the reality is 'weak and wobbly',hehe
Bet Farage spilt has beer on that one.
Whats the next U-turn....Ireland border or euro 60 billion plus divorce bill?
Who was it on this forum who said negotiations are going quite well?
I make the score EU 5 v UK 0.
KudosDave
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1 and 2 are non starters...the Irish have already said that they dont want to leave the EU....remember 'were stupid but not that stupid'.
Theresa May has already said that we are leaving the customs union,otherwise Fox cant go on a trade deal world shopping trip,she wouldnt do another U-turn would she??????
3. Nobody seems to have a good fudge.
Looks like another car crash option is looming???
Shouldnt do but am quite enjoying this,Theresa May has boxed herself in,entirely of her own making and its amusing watching this government dig an ever deepening hole to fall in.
KudosDave
That's not going to work and you know it...a standard is agreed ok in one court but not in another,you are being silly on that one.
I am already embroiled in an argument between a UK tester/UK trading standards and EU standards over a product (not e-bikes)....it looks like the UK trading standards are going to have to back down,but the tester wont eat his pride...its fun watching from aside.
It was made worse by the chinese refering to the UK tester as an idiot,which is true but you dont say it.
KudosDave
Nope,Brexiters caused this mess....often on question time a typical agressive Brexiter has shouted 'we won,you lost,leave now'....they won,they can find the solution out of the mess...Remainers have a solution scrap Brexit today and ask the EU for 'forgiveness from our trespasses'.
KudosDave
Australia, Malaysia, China all adopt EN15194.
Standards are documents, as long as we accept that x is equivalent to y then which court does not matter except in a dxck measuring contest.
Are you sure,I thought Australia was still on 200 watts power,there have been posters on here moaning about it. China doesnt use EN15194,they have an archaic standard based upon the Japanese standard,200 watts and max 12mph......not that the chinese abide by it,with 1000 watt DD motors everwhere.
But maybe I am out of date.
KudosDave
they are moving to adopting more and more EU standards. We may just as well do same after brexit.
There have been changes. Australia is federal of course, but following the State of Victoria supporting a change to EU style 250 watts law, Australia's federal government have adopted it, so its probably national now.
China have also adopted identical law to the EU some while ago, but after finding it impossible to enforce, they announced it would gradually be phased in. They'll probably do that by leaning on e-bike makers to move in that direction, but it will be a long time before all their 700 watts or more e-bikes disappear.
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we continue with 'great repeal'. When the EU makes new laws, if they suit us, we'll import them.
Our Supreme Court is the ultimate court, you won't be able to take a UK company or UK government to the ECJ. There is no ambiguity in what she said.
obviously, until we join EFTA, and then we have to deal with their Court
