Brexit, for once some facts.

oldtom

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Well, the people responsible for the security of these islands and the safety of the people living in the UK seem determined to exercise 'the will of the people' and ensure that the gulf between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots' is enlarged.

This situation is now - it will become unbelievably worse under tory rule, post-'Brexit'..........

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Whatever happens it is becoming obvious that the £ will continue tanking against the Euro. At some point the BoE will be forced to raise interest rates until the £ stabilises. That will bring back inflation.
The wealthy will move cash into assets.....property,oil,gold,index linked funds etc.....the Germans will use strong Euros to buy our property.
Mortgages and rents will rise,oil will rise,food(especially EU imports) will rise. Hammond hasn't the cash to afford pay rises to compensate.
The Rees-Mogg's asset rich will do well.
But it will be ok because 'it is the will of the people' hehe
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Mortgages and rents will rise
not necessary.
Rent has not risen much since the EU referendum.
Foreigners still buying but not as much as it was, hence Hammond panics a bit about balance of payments.
It's time for JC to spell out how he sees brexit.
 

oldgroaner

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Tory rule eh? Not according to J.C. don't forget he was supposed to be consigned to oblivion in the last election..
And are you expecting miracles if by some chance he should get into power?
Unless he is going to get us back into the EU, who cares? as it will simply tar labour with the same brush as the Torys.
Cancel Brexit or Quit JC
 
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not necessary.
Rent has not risen much since the EU referendum.
Foreigners still buying but not as much as it was, hence Hammond panics a bit about balance of payments.
It's time for JC to spell out how he sees brexit.
Yell him not to bother, it really doesn't matter. Cancel it or stand well back is the best advice.
 
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Yell him not to bother, it really doesn't matter. Cancel it or stand well back is the best advice.
JC did stand well back, he gained personally but the country pays the price.
 

Gubbins

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And are you expecting miracles if by some chance he should get into power?
Unless he is going to get us back into the EU, who cares? as it will simply tar labour with the same brush as the Torys.
Cancel Brexit or Quit JC
That's why I voted Tory. Seemed the lesser of 2 evils... mmm is that pseudo middle classism? [emoji12]
 

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Th paper are all pushing a poll saying a HUGE Majority including remainers now Favour leaving the EU something like
"A bombshell poll shows two in three voters, including former Remainers, now want a clear break with Brussels.
How odd
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/
You gov poll of 24th July give 46% for remain, 43% for leave is there was a Third Referendum.
But then the Papers print the Truth they WANT NOT THE REAL TRUTH

No wonder the World is laughing at us, we have descended into Farce
 

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But then the Papers print the Truth they WANT NOT THE REAL TRUTH
I can agree with that statement.
The questions in the Oxford/LSE poll asked people what they wish for.
No wonder that many said 'have cake and eat it'.
 

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I am not talking about toytown inflation,
don't hold your breath, check out the value of the Pound, the market has factored in the cost of brexit.
 

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.. and Morgan Stanley are suggesting that it will drop by another 10% by early next year. That is a close to 40% adjustment over the period since the referendum...
Brexit is having one effect....the cost of buying European product into the UK must be ready to rise considerably,would not like to be a big importer from Europe at the moment....German e-bikes???
Havent looked at the price of German cars lately are they going up?
It should reduce our trade deficit with the EU but reports say otherwise,but I suppose if we are prepared to pay more for the goods it will increase the deficit.
It will also increase the Euro settlement Brexit bill when priced in pounds.
Interesting times.
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Looks like we could be mates with the chinese if we Brexit.

While the US has placed punitive duty of 266 per cent on imports of some Chinese steel products, similar EU tariffs amount to just 21 per cent. Germany and France — along with the European Commission — had argued for punitive tariffs. They said they were one of the few ways of protecting jobs in Europe’s steel sector, where 20 per cent of jobs have disappeared since 2008, according to the European industry’s main lobby group. Today the sector employs 320,000 people across the bloc. However, critics of the proposal argued that extra EU anti-dumping measures ran the risk of triggering retaliatory moves from Beijing, which will soon be treated as a “market economy” in trade disputes at the World Trade Organisation. Britain had argued vociferously against the proposal for years. However the position led to a political dispute in the UK in March when 15,000 jobs were put at risk following Tata Steel’s decision to sell its business in Britain, leading to calls for protectionist measures to help save jobs. Officials from other European countries accused Britain of opposing the measures in part to improve relations with Beijing — a foreign policy goal under David Cameron’s former government. However British officials argued that other manufacturers, such as carmakers, benefited from cheap steel imports.

It looks like the UK have vetoed putting punitive tariffs on chinese steel,after Brexit we could be sitting close to Europe with nil tariffs and the EU,released from the shackles of the UK,with high tariffs.
Ok I dont see steel being smuggled across the channel but textiles and bicycles could. No wonder the EU doesnt want us to leave,aside from our contribution we could be a loose cannon trade wise,especially on the Irish border.
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don't hold your breath, check out the value of the Pound, the market has factored in the cost of brexit.
I'm glad you're such an expert... certainly the "actual" experts I've spoken still don't think its been priced in completely because of 2 things.

1) no one is confident it will actually happen.

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2) the negative impacts keep coming, whilst the Euro zone is strengthening.

So I would say you're being optimistic at best.
 

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I'm glad you're such an expert... certainly the "actual" experts I've spoken still don't think its been priced in completely because of 2 things.

1) no one is confident it will actually happen.

and

2) the negative impacts keep coming, whilst the Euro zone is strengthening.

So I would say you're being optimistic at best.
Colin....I feel for you,it must be difficult to import Euro priced product....I am lucky that I only have one major product range from the EU and that I have a monopoly on so customers just have to pay the increase.
If it wasnt for Trump making such a mess in the states I could see us having a similar position on the dollar,I am buying as much forward as I can at 1.29 before this useless government drop another bombshell.
I find it amusing that the pound stores are shrinking the product as the Asian prices increase and the £ bombs...'I am sorry madam that the toilet roll wont cover your ample a.....,still the way Brexit is going you will soon eat less and lose some weight',hehe
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