Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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Yes our future is innovation and trade and Brexit is about to make that a lot more difficult.
Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway part of the EEA and not the EU, and Switzerland, they are doing OK.
 
Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway part of the EEA and not the EU, and Switzerland, they are doing OK.
Have you been to any of those countries. Do you even understand what they have that is causing them to be ok for populations who live there who pay out the huge cost of living to be there?

Just check out the prices in Norway.

Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in United Kingdom are 34.86% lower than in Norway
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United Kingdom are 30.76% lower than in Norway
Rent Prices in United Kingdom are 18.74% lower than in Norway
Restaurant Prices in United Kingdom are 35.30% lower than in Norway
Groceries Prices in United Kingdom are 44.04% lower than in Norway
Local Purchasing Power in United Kingdom is 0.51% higher than in Norway

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Norway&country2=United+Kingdom
 
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and Switzerland.

Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in Switzerland are 83.88% higher than in United Kingdom
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Switzerland are 80.08% higher than in United Kingdom
Rent Prices in Switzerland are 71.12% higher than in United Kingdom
Restaurant Prices in Switzerland are 61.68% higher than in United Kingdom
Groceries Prices in Switzerland are 135.00% higher than in United Kingdom
Local Purchasing Power in Switzerland is 24.00% higher than in United Kingdom

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Switzerland

LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS WOOSH> 80%+ higher consumer prices. How do you think UK customers are going to be able to afford that when we're not seeing any wage rises???
 
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Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway part of the EEA and not the EU, and Switzerland, they are doing OK.
Oh, and Iceland isn't much better.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Iceland&country2=United+Kingdom

Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in United Kingdom are 40.37% lower than in Iceland
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United Kingdom are 39.13% lower than in Iceland
Rent Prices in United Kingdom are 35.99% lower than in Iceland
Restaurant Prices in United Kingdom are 38.79% lower than in Iceland
Groceries Prices in United Kingdom are 49.96% lower than in Iceland
Local Purchasing Power in United Kingdom is 33.03% higher than in Iceland
 
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anotherkiwi

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Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway part of the EEA and not the EU, and Switzerland, they are doing OK.
You forgot Andorra and the Vatican... All of them former industrial and colonial powers with populations over 60 million... :rolleyes:
 

flecc

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If he got in on a remain policy he wouldn't need to negotiate anything..or are you saying he would not get power with a remain manifesto ???
Of course he wouldn't, since so many traditionally Labour voters are ardent Brexiters. If JC had taken a strong remain position, many Labour supporters would have voted UKIP instead.

That's the oddity of our electorate, people prepared to vote either far left or far right according to the issue.
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flecc

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Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway part of the EEA and not the EU, and Switzerland, they are doing OK.
They are a little smaller. Norway is the largest of them with one sixteenth of our population and has much larger gas, oil and fishing potential than us. Makes it quite easy to succeed.
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Woosh

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no comment on the cost of living in the other countries you've highlighted then?
They can't be directly compared - landmass, natural resources, climate, total population and density, language, infrastructure, legal framework, taxation, history, geography etc. Too many variables.
In general, the higher the cost of living, the more economic opportunities.
 

Danidl

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shrinking economy? the jury is still out.
there is a whole load of other issues beside the economy.
Housing, traffic, social cohesion etc.
... I am glad you think so, and I would agree, but to a significant extent many of these depend on a robust economy. There is a large body of opinion that suggests that the UK economy will either sink or grow less quickly post Brexit
 
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Woosh

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... I am glad you think so, and I would agree, but to a significant extent many of these depend on a robust economy. There is a large body of opinion that suggests that the UK economy will either sink or grow less quickly post Brexit
growth is largely tied to population and immigration.
If the aim of brexit is to reduce population and immigration then growth will suffer but the country is more livable.
 
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Woosh

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Have tried living in a cottage on the Yorkshire Moors in winter?????
Good training
No, Southend is nearly as full and cramped as London.
 

anotherkiwi

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They are a little smaller. Norway is the largest of them with one sixteenth of our population and has much larger gas, oil and fishing potential than us. Makes it quite easy to succeed.
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And a large chunk of the revenu from gas and petrol was put away for a rainy day because they knew that one day it was going to end. Very intelligent the Norwegians! They are currently taxing the fossil fueled cars they have on the roads to death. Many Norwegians are moving to electric bikes to commute.

I went to Norway in 1978(?) and having read up before hand we took all of our food with us. We did visit a supermarket and the prices made our eyes water... :eek: A can of peas was about 6 times the price we paid in France, beef was about the same price it is here today, 39 years of inflation later...:eek:

An amusing story: we drove from Oslo to the head of the Bergen fjord. The young woman in the camping ground (obligatory camping pass required) refused to believe me, "You can't drive to here from Oslo in one day!" looked out the window and saw the Lancia Fulvia 1.3S, "Did you break the speed limit?"... :D Not once, on those roads almost impossible to do so but I was on the legal limit all the way.
 

flecc

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And a large chunk of the revenu from gas and petrol was put away for a rainy day because they knew that one day it was going to end. Very intelligent the Norwegians!
Yes, I've always admired the way they did that, far more sensible than our two idiot governments over the key years, squandering the income as fast as it came in.
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Kudoscycles

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Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway part of the EEA and not the EU, and Switzerland, they are doing OK.
Switzerland,Iceland and Norway are mind-blowing expensive....I had a holiday in Gstaad last winter.....coffee and cake for two....£30.00....meal out for 2..... £300.00 .Iceland and Norway are similar,even supermarket food is fantastically expensive. To live in those countries is difficult for poorer people,you need high incomes ,even for a modest lifestyle.
If the UK ended up like those countries we would need massive salary rises or the poor would be in extreme poverty.
Greece gives us an idea of how the UK may end up.....food in the supermarkets is getting very expensive....the poor,especially pensioners,are struggling to pay for the basics....ironically the wealthy Greeks ,who moved their money into Swiss Francs,are very well off.
This government ,backed by the wealthy Tory aristocrats,will do well out of Brexit but the poor and Jams will be in poverty....it just amazes me that many who are so positive about Brexit haven't woken up that they will be very poor after Brexit,clever politics really!!!!
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