the poor will always the first to lose out, whichever party rules the country.
Only a decent coalition can lessen that.
Only a decent coalition can lessen that.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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From the Daily Heil
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Now even arch Brexiteer Gove admits EU migrants will keep coming to the UK for up to FIVE years as Ukip warns the deal 'betrays' the referendum
Ha, ha,ha.........................................ha, ha, etc.,
"How complex is the web we weave
When first we practice to Deceive"
Clever stuff, both the Leave side, and the Remain side have managed to betray themselves and their cause.
And now of course the big sales campaign begins.
And good luck with that!
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Now even arch Brexiteer Gove admits EU migrants will keep coming to the UK for up to FIVE years as Ukip warns the deal 'betrays' the referendum
- Brexiteer ministers have been persuaded of need for 'soft landing' after Brexit
- Agreement could see open borders continue until 2022 in 'transitional' period
- But Remainers have accepted need to leave single market and customs union
- Source suggests Cabinet has finally reached agreement after week of division
Ha, ha,ha.........................................ha, ha, etc.,
"How complex is the web we weave
When first we practice to Deceive"
Clever stuff, both the Leave side, and the Remain side have managed to betray themselves and their cause.
And now of course the big sales campaign begins.
And good luck with that!
A little humour from the indie
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Donald Trump asks lawyers about powers to pardon himself and his children in Russia probe, report reveals
President's team may be seeking to control and block Mueller's Russia investigation
Only one possible reaction
"Pardon me!"
Hang on, he may be onto something there, could we use this idea to cancel Article 50.
Oh....thought not..............
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Donald Trump asks lawyers about powers to pardon himself and his children in Russia probe, report reveals
President's team may be seeking to control and block Mueller's Russia investigation
Only one possible reaction
"Pardon me!"
Hang on, he may be onto something there, could we use this idea to cancel Article 50.
Oh....thought not..............
Of course Betraying BOTH sides is probably Democratic looked at from a certain point of view!
It is obvious to all businesses that the currency hedge has now run out and all dollar and euro sourced products are more expensive. Either prices have to rise or margins are squeezed,either way it will result in a lower tax take....Hammond has admitted that this is starting to hurt, just at the moment when austerity is being relaxed ,his own prediction is that tax take will be lower later this year and Brexit will be expensive.
So we borrow more and pay more interest,when the worlds lenders are talking about higher interest rates.
If he were running a business you would sack him!
KudosDave
So we borrow more and pay more interest,when the worlds lenders are talking about higher interest rates.
If he were running a business you would sack him!
KudosDave
that's how to reconcile the two opposites: meet them half way and kick the worst problem a little further down the path.
he's doing the right thing. It's TM who needs to go.
I sort of agree,Hammond seems the only sensible member of the cabinet ,I only say sack him because he is not pushing hard enough to balance the books,politics is at the moment winning over finance.
Brexit effects are now becoming reality but Hammond is not strong enough to make the right decisions,can countries go bankrupt?
KudosDave
I don't know.
Brexit won't be enough to do that much damage.
The problem is JC makes lots of promises because he does not have to deliver at the moment. When he fails to deliver, the tories will be back for another 15-20 years.
And the Circle is complete, this is where we started before the Common Market came to the rescue
Here then is a warning from History that seems to have been forgotten
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/anthony-hilton-brexit-raises-spectre-of-imf-bailout-for-uk-a3421071.html
Will we never learn?
Brexit: Mind numbingly STUPID
EU Negotiations state of play
EU and Britain fail to reach agreement on half of issues in Brexit talks
Teams working on future rights of EU citizens in UK and Britons in Europe are still to resolve 22 of 44 issues under discussion
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/631038/Joint_technical_note_on_the_comparison_of_EU-UK_positions_on_citizens__rights.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/631038/Joint_technical_note_on_the_comparison_of_EU-UK_positions_on_citizens__rights.pdf
Best quote of the morning so far in the Independent
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Kitty
The UK still hasn't agreed with itself. The UK is arguing with itself like some kind of mad ventriloquist - while on the side of the stage the EU negotiators are shaking their heads at the charade...
I love that
"The UK is arguing with itself like some kind of mad ventriloquist"
Something of the nature perhaps of a Tribute act with Hammond playing Ray Allan and Rees Mogg as LordCharles?
Quite.
EU and Britain fail to reach agreement on half of issues in Brexit talks
Teams working on future rights of EU citizens in UK and Britons in Europe are still to resolve 22 of 44 issues under discussion
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/631038/Joint_technical_note_on_the_comparison_of_EU-UK_positions_on_citizens__rights.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/631038/Joint_technical_note_on_the_comparison_of_EU-UK_positions_on_citizens__rights.pdf
Best quote of the morning so far in the Independent
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Kitty
The UK still hasn't agreed with itself. The UK is arguing with itself like some kind of mad ventriloquist - while on the side of the stage the EU negotiators are shaking their heads at the charade...
I love that
"The UK is arguing with itself like some kind of mad ventriloquist"
Something of the nature perhaps of a Tribute act with Hammond playing Ray Allan and Rees Mogg as LordCharles?
Quite.
the problem is we have had growth for a very long time, both tories and labour use it to borrow ever more and rely on house price inflation to top up tax receipt.
during that time, the rich got richer, the poor comparatively poorer, their health declines, more of their income spent on housing and transport. the NHS and transport become less satisfactory.
That's why I prefer customs union to us remaining in the single market.
Growth should not be the first and only consideration for the UK post EURef.
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Waiting for the same arguing later on within the EU - our Countries task of obtaining consent will seem easy.
You forget that the EU Council will have to approve any deal under article 50 exceptional majority voting rules.
Mr Juncker had to give in to several individual Country demands to obtain the "unity" arrangement but said at the time he would not be so accommodating again.
For any final deal to be approved 22 EU Countries need to be onboard.
The snag is that this wasn't the sort of growth we needed, rather than industrial Muscle we have on layers of Financial FAT.
It isn't hard to see that when the time comes, as it is about to, when we have Export or Die challenges to face, we lack the mien of a "lean mean fighting machine" and face the future with the physique of a Vietnamese Pot Bellied Pig.
And we have the World's most incompetent Government and least capable Managerial Executive Class who's commercial vision is of a class that is best suited by the comment
"Should have gone to Spec savers"
What could "Possibles go wrong?"
Every thing!
Why any person failed to see truths so obvious and dire yet vote for Brexit is one of those mysteries that will entertain Historians for generations to come.
They will examine whether Environmental ,Dietary or Media abuse gave rise to failure of the critical facuties of so many adults on an unrecedented scale, and their willingness to be mislead.
Machiavelli's spirit lives on in these Brexit pushing politicians
"Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". The word comes from the Italian Renaissance diplomat and writer Niccolò Machiavelli, ...
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A lot of holidaymakers who voted for 'Brexit' will now be questioning their decision if they are being offered rates such as in this article as they take their family off to err.......EU countries for the annual holiday.
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Tom
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Tom
we can't do "lean mean fighting machine" anymore, and it has been like that for a a generation or more.
Most of the growth in the last 30-40 years has been consumer led, we have grown fat because of it.
Brexit is like going to the gym, fighting type 2 diabetes. No pain no gain.