if TM calls another snap election, they may win it then brexit would be their curse.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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... Unless he made a speech along the lines of...
My fellow Britons, you and I were sold a pup (or pig in a poke... Pick your metaphor) . My party choose to stay out of it until we were in a position to actually influence matters and so let the other shower continue to make a Haimes of it.
We didn't want to make a party football of something so dangerous.
Thanks to you we can now correct this terrible wrong...
If I was in TM's place I'd do just that. Brexit is a poisoned chalice for any government.
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But your maths no longer makes sense on this Flecc. If majority of Labour are leavers, as are,UKIP, as are Tory that is way more than the real support leave has now got.???
And IMHO we may never know how many actually support remain now, because no party is actually offering remain as a policy. Somebody must dip their toe in the water, come out and say " We would remain" and test if there is a ground swell of voters/ public backing that statement. If nobody does it may well be totally hypothetical.
Her MPs won't let her call a new snap election unless they think they can win back some seats.
I reckon leavers still account for a small but significant majority of labour and conservative memberships. Most LibDems Cymru and SNP are remainers.
You can only reverse brexit if remainers command at least 10% majority in either Labour or Conservative.
Another day goes by and the UK position doesn't seem to have improved in spite of all the bluff and bluster from Davis & Co with their prepared news updates for their pet media.
On a lighter note, this from the HIGNFY programme:
On the other hand, this isn't in the least funny but if people are unwilling to stand up and be counted, the tories will continue to persecute the 'have nots' and all the money 'saved' from the austerity programme will be channelled into the bank accounts of the few, magically being written off as funding various failed social projects, foreign aid and the like.
Tom
On a lighter note, this from the HIGNFY programme:
On the other hand, this isn't in the least funny but if people are unwilling to stand up and be counted, the tories will continue to persecute the 'have nots' and all the money 'saved' from the austerity programme will be channelled into the bank accounts of the few, magically being written off as funding various failed social projects, foreign aid and the like.
Tom
I said the opposite:
"The true Labour instinct would be to side with Remain, since Europe is predominantly socialist and the EU and ECJ very supportive of common rights."
Their MPs are only pretending to be leavers since that's the way the voters went, particularly Labour voters, hence the party sitting on the fence.
The Tories are in a similar mess, the great majority of Tory MPs are remainers, including Theresa May, but again they have to pretend to be leavers because of the referendum result.
If the House of Commons voted their true feelings, there is no way we'd be Brexiting, since only around a sixth of them are leavers.
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I believe both Labour and Tory voters would be several percent in favour of Remain now, and with the other Remain votes would win a new referendum by a far bigger margin than Leave won the last one.
We know that the MPs in the Commons are overwhelmingly Remainers, they made that very clear in the lead up to the referendum. It was only the mainly Tory fringe nutters who were Leavers, 19th century leftover freaks like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg.
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Thought for the Day from the Independent
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Liam Fox says the Brexit deal will be the 'easiest thing in human history'. That's a relief, isn't it?
The Government insists we’ll get a better deal from the EU once we leave, because most institutions operate on the basis that you get a much better deal when you’re not a member, don’t they?
Liam Fox went on to explain the only difficulties in the talks arose when “politics gets in the way”.
Liam Fox also explained “Britain can survive without a trade deal”.
Great
And even mre Fantastic is this
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Michael Gove to pledge 'Green Brexit' in first keynote environment speech
But the Environment Secretary has been warned by environmental campaigners not to 'water down' EU rules and regulations aimed at tackling air pollution and climate change
In a keynote speech at the WWF’s Living Planet Centre, Mr Gove will say he is an “environmentalist first because I care about the fate of fellow animals”.
“But I am also an environmentalist because of hard calculation as well as the promptings of the heart,” he will add. “We need to maintain and enhance the natural world around us, or find ourselves facing disaster.
“Indeed, ultimately, the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat and the energy which powers enterprise, are all threatened if we do not practise proper stewardship of the planet.”
Beware of Goves bearing promises.
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Liam Fox says the Brexit deal will be the 'easiest thing in human history'. That's a relief, isn't it?
The Government insists we’ll get a better deal from the EU once we leave, because most institutions operate on the basis that you get a much better deal when you’re not a member, don’t they?
Liam Fox went on to explain the only difficulties in the talks arose when “politics gets in the way”.
Liam Fox also explained “Britain can survive without a trade deal”.
Great
And even mre Fantastic is this
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Michael Gove to pledge 'Green Brexit' in first keynote environment speech
But the Environment Secretary has been warned by environmental campaigners not to 'water down' EU rules and regulations aimed at tackling air pollution and climate change
In a keynote speech at the WWF’s Living Planet Centre, Mr Gove will say he is an “environmentalist first because I care about the fate of fellow animals”.
“But I am also an environmentalist because of hard calculation as well as the promptings of the heart,” he will add. “We need to maintain and enhance the natural world around us, or find ourselves facing disaster.
“Indeed, ultimately, the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat and the energy which powers enterprise, are all threatened if we do not practise proper stewardship of the planet.”
Beware of Goves bearing promises.
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that seems correct from his perspective.
It's not like he's got much to do.
Ah, Norway, that famously cheap place to live, that's in the Schengen zone, so has unlimited uncontrolled migration from within the EU. I can see that going down well with everyone.
we are not going to join Schengen or the Eurozone.
As far as I am concerned, soft brexit is my choice and Norway style is a pretty good compromise.
Mrs May and her cabinet get keep their job until we are out of the EU. May be that's the helping hand to bring about some sense.
As far as I am concerned, soft brexit is my choice and Norway style is a pretty good compromise.
Mrs May and her cabinet get keep their job until we are out of the EU. May be that's the helping hand to bring about some sense.
So not Norway style at all then... and have you been to Norway or Switzerland. The cost of living is off the chart compared to the UK, there are going to be some very upset leave voters if we go down that route.
Even the people / governments of Norway and Switzerland have said we'd be crazy to do it.
No we're not... we're currently in the EU and not in the Schengen, there are a host of decisions and choices to make about where we end up.
bigoted, selfish, more than a little bit racist yes, crazy no.
So the labour policy is to lock the stable door after the horse has left eu? How on earth is that justified ?
The time to state your true feelings,policies and wishes is now. Labour saying "well we didn't really want to leave" after art50 implemented is bad enough but saying so after we,ve left is utterly stupid. What on earth is Corbyn doing? He must take as much blame for this fiasco as Tory leaders.
Why hasn't he actually opposed the government on anything ?
By the time JC / labour actually say they are remainers chances are we will be out. Will the political climate be such they can get power on a manifesto pledge of returning ? I doubt it.
Carpe diem and all that...
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