no, you supply the domestic market.
Cut the transportation cost.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Cut the transportation cost.
So you think a bike brand would be able to start up, compete with the far east on pricing, whilst also limiting itself to the relatively tiny UK cycling market.
What sort of bikes do you think they could make? How do you think they'd be able to compete with the established brands from that build in the Far East and Europe.
I am thinking of bikes for sharing.
small volume, bespoke designs.
Of course you can't compete against the Chinese on the volume market, it's about 70 years too late for that.
I can buy a bike from China for 38 US dollar,you have to build it (some will enjoy that),it is simple and retro (uni students and professors will love it) and its indestructable....it cant sell here because of 60% anti dumping duty on vanilla bikes. But if Liam Fox gets rid of anti dumping duties,it will sell for £60 on e-bay. Free trade deals with China are a 2-way street.
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Certainly is at the dearer end, we already have a number of specialist bike builders of course. I don't think we could match the bottom end of the mass market pricing though.
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I watched, near the end of the film, that guy who turned 1,000 bottom bracket spindles a day, 5,000 spindles a week, for something like £12 a week, Raleigh could not compete then, there is no hope now.
That is 52€ with a 60% tariff, add in your 100% mark up 104€, two months pocket money for a poor student, 1 weeks pocket money for a well off one. Decathlon bikes start at 169€. Where is the problem with 60% anti-dumping duty? You are still at 66% of current EU prices for cheap city bikes.
The Decathlon bike will have a frame made in Portugal or Poland and be assembled in Poland thus creating jobs and wealth in the EU as well as a comfy profit margin for a multinational corporation based in France. They emploi 70,000 people most of them in the EU. On the other hand your bike will create jobs in China, jobs for logistics between China and the UK, profit for ebay (American gangsta...) and your profit margin.
That is the future you see for the UK post brexit? Few to no jobs created and profit margin on trade alone?
There's an interesting program in BBC Radio 4's "Briefing Room" series.
Titled "Where Does Labour Stand on Brexit?"
it's well worth a listen, 27 minutes on this i-player link.
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Titled "Where Does Labour Stand on Brexit?"
it's well worth a listen, 27 minutes on this i-player link.
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You can't run an industrial nation on cottage industries
Hard brexit will fortunately for the Future of the nation prove to be an unmittigated Disaster, that will provide a valuable lesson of what not to do, and how not to behave, and discredit the Tory party for a lifetime.
Only two ways forward offer any hope
- Get the EU to cancel Article 50 and let us continue as members
- Suffer the consequences of Brexit until sanity regains control and we re apply for membership of the EU
... I think kudos point was not that he was proposing to do it, but that the argument that a UK indigenous bike industry of the type Raliegh operated was no longer feasible. All of those additional arguements you have presented reinforce that belief
Labour's brexit strategy isn't any clearer than the tories.
Both favour having cake and eating it.
Agreed. I am perplexed by their attitude. What an opposition is supposed to do has a clue in its name.
Perhaps they feel that doing a Monumental "U" turn against Brexit will work magic for them (at the appropriate moment of Maximum Distress to the Public?)
I understood it was to hand out blame while avoing any action that might lead to them being held responsible and having to do something unpopular.
Er......Did I get that wrong?
Labour can't bring themselves to be more truthful, they want to keep both brexit voters and remainers while lying to both. No better than the tories.
That's politicians for you.
I'm not and can understand what they are doing.
The true Labour instinct would be to side with Remain, since Europe is predominantly socialist and the EU and ECJ very supportive of common rights.
Their problem is though that a very high proportion of their traditional supporters are Brexiters, so they need to retain their support by honouring the referendum result.
But that is also the Tory and UKIP policy, which they really don't enjoy supporting.
So the only way past that impossible triple faceted dilemma is to sit on the fence and try to please everyone. And lets face it, they've been doing that so successfully that Jeremy Corbyn has transformed from the universally accepted loser into the new messiah with a big following among tomorrow's electorate.
I guarantee that Theresa May would give anything for the skills to do that.
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I am not sure I could call it a skill.
JC does not have to worry about delivery on his ideas until he gets the key to No 10.
Just like he floated the idea of writing off £100 billions worth of student loans for graduates.
He is a dreamer and a politician for now.
Why, when what they are doing is so successful? As others have said, they are politicians, so happy to stay with what is working at present.
As you say, there'll come a point when they have to get off the fence, but hope springs eternal and they hope something will turn up then. After all, it did this time when TM gifted them with a self inflicted election injury.
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