Brexit, for once some facts.
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No he missed out a full stop.
" I don't think. Tillson would be suitable."
" I don't think. Tillson would be suitable."
Well I'm free most afternoons, as Trump would say, "how hard can it be?"[emoji1]
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All Corbyn has to do is add two further items.
Brexit will not happen
Failure in management in state run industries will result in at best dismissal, at worst it may result in prosecution in criminal or political reasons interfere with efficiency.
There will be a bonus scheme: make no mistakes and you will retain your position, fail and you are out.
There will be no cash bonuses ever.
And yes I did work for a company that operated on those rules, it works!
Brexit will not happen
Failure in management in state run industries will result in at best dismissal, at worst it may result in prosecution in criminal or political reasons interfere with efficiency.
There will be a bonus scheme: make no mistakes and you will retain your position, fail and you are out.
There will be no cash bonuses ever.
And yes I did work for a company that operated on those rules, it works!
Labour would do better to campaign along the lines you suggest.
I have no faith that further investment in public services will yield much benefit. Failure, incompetence, dishonesty, greed and an unwillingness to be receptive to criticism is rife amongst public service management. It's embedded in the DNA of the organisations. This is where the focus of attention needs to be concentrated and once eradicated, lets then talk about investment.
Was my experience that wrong people got promoted. They were ( are?) selected not on ability but on their skil at jumping on this months band wagon.Whatever current trend is those interested in self promotion adopt it and ride it to next level. Those good at job stick to their beliefs and present pay scale..After a few years it means organisations have had all sorts of directtion changes and end up with short sighted fools running them. Saw it in education, Civil service but not in private sector. Its main reason I got out of both institutions mentioned.
By the way, can somebody who knows more about labour and Jeremy Corbyn please explain why they are not supporting remain ?
I agree with some of Tillsons opinion but also think throwing money at right places is not as bad as explained. There are always spin offs and unseen gains with most investments. Investment can promote growth in associated areas. Its exactly opposite to policy Thatcher used ( Keynism) but both policies have worked in various,countries. I agree re wasting on poor management though.
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68% of Brits now want Brexit to Happen do they?
Frankly despite the Poll all this suggests to me is that resignation has set in, as there is no means to stop it happening.
But remember this, once the proverbial starts hitting the Fan.
Things will become far less "Accepting" very quickly indeed!
Suddenly no one will recall voting for Brexit!
What will it mean to vote tory in the general election? The accompanying infographic gives a great indication of what a vote for any party other than Labour will bring upon the British people in a very short time.
If the NHS is to survive and be improved and modernised, the only political will for such investment will be in the form of a Labour majority in the HofC.
The 8th June will be the last opportunity to prevent the NHS being carved up and sold off cheaply, almost certainly to foreign enterprises.
Tom
If the NHS is to survive and be improved and modernised, the only political will for such investment will be in the form of a Labour majority in the HofC.
The 8th June will be the last opportunity to prevent the NHS being carved up and sold off cheaply, almost certainly to foreign enterprises.
Tom
I you are into Polls this site could be of interest
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/uk-poll-results/
They have it on the most recent Poll
45% Right to vote to leave. 41% Wrong to do so. 14% Don't know.
And it has some depressing trends. it seems that the Public really do trust TM.
Ah well it only brings the day when disaster strikes even closer, and the Public is forced to see reason.
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/uk-poll-results/
They have it on the most recent Poll
45% Right to vote to leave. 41% Wrong to do so. 14% Don't know.
And it has some depressing trends. it seems that the Public really do trust TM.
Ah well it only brings the day when disaster strikes even closer, and the Public is forced to see reason.
Is this a record 4 agrees ?
Oh boy now the NHS http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39956541 will have to cough up even more to hire nurses (and other medically skilled staff) from abroad - which the govt i.e. you and I (and Brexit voters) will have to pay extra for.
Filipino nurses to plug staff shortages in Lincolnshire
and guess which county voted more in favourite of Brexit...
"She will announce extra costs for employers who choose to hire non-EU immigrants in skilled jobs by doubling the charge known as the Skills Charge.
The revenue will go into skills training for UK workers. Non-EU migrants will also have to pay more to use the NHS. The manifesto will also rule out removing students from the immigration statistics.
The Immigration Skills Charge, which was introduced in April 2017, is levied on companies that employ migrants in skilled areas.
It applies to immigrants from outside the European Economic Area and is currently set at £1,000 per employee per year, with a reduced rate of £364 for small or charitable organisations.
Under the Conservative proposals, it will double to £2,000 per employee per year."
Filipino nurses to plug staff shortages in Lincolnshire
and guess which county voted more in favourite of Brexit...
"She will announce extra costs for employers who choose to hire non-EU immigrants in skilled jobs by doubling the charge known as the Skills Charge.
The revenue will go into skills training for UK workers. Non-EU migrants will also have to pay more to use the NHS. The manifesto will also rule out removing students from the immigration statistics.
The Immigration Skills Charge, which was introduced in April 2017, is levied on companies that employ migrants in skilled areas.
It applies to immigrants from outside the European Economic Area and is currently set at £1,000 per employee per year, with a reduced rate of £364 for small or charitable organisations.
Under the Conservative proposals, it will double to £2,000 per employee per year."
And where is the money thus extorted going to actually end up? Does anyone believe it will be effectively used to train locals and not just disappear?
Here is a classic case of propaganda and the use of an idiot with a big mouth to promote someone in an election.
At this time Farage should be told to "button his mouth" in order not to make negotiations worse, but the Propaganda Value to promote Mrs May being bullied by the EU is too much to resist.
Looked at by any reasonable standard the woman actually made a complete Balls up of the "Brexit Dinner" but this has been turned into a Propaganda Victory.
In the Express this morning, Farage is at it again
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Nigel Farage promises to 'pick up a rifle' if the Government U-Turns on Brexit
NIGEL Farage has issued a Brexit war-cry as he warned the Government he is prepared to “pick up a rifle and head to the front lines” if it does not deliver a good divorce from the European Union..
Surely he is breaching both the Law and the rules of common sense with remarks like that, imagine of that will go down with some Right Wing supporters.
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Nigel Farage promises to 'pick up a rifle' if the Government U-Turns on Brexit
NIGEL Farage has issued a Brexit war-cry as he warned the Government he is prepared to “pick up a rifle and head to the front lines” if it does not deliver a good divorce from the European Union..
Surely he is breaching both the Law and the rules of common sense with remarks like that, imagine of that will go down with some Right Wing supporters.
As each day dawns, we read more and more propaganda from all sorts of right-wing sources about how the NHS is failing and can only continue in the future if private enterprise is allowed to cherry-pick those parts from which the most lucrative profits can be achieved.
This is simply an extension of the decades-old, conditioning process aimed at the gullible who still haven't identified that the information they have been and continue to be fed, comes from the mouths of billionaires and their bought and paid for stooges in Westminster and the tory media.
No-one should be in any doubt; the tories want another 5 years in office so they can destroy the NHS and any other remaining public sector involvement in areas from which the billionaire class and their friends might further enrich themselves. The class war has only just begun!
A vote for any party other than Labour will set Britain back 200 years.
Tom
This is simply an extension of the decades-old, conditioning process aimed at the gullible who still haven't identified that the information they have been and continue to be fed, comes from the mouths of billionaires and their bought and paid for stooges in Westminster and the tory media.
No-one should be in any doubt; the tories want another 5 years in office so they can destroy the NHS and any other remaining public sector involvement in areas from which the billionaire class and their friends might further enrich themselves. The class war has only just begun!
A vote for any party other than Labour will set Britain back 200 years.
Tom
If you were a BBC correspondent, news reader, presenter or the like, why would you ever want to say anything other than your paymasters want you to say?
If they are happy to pay you a salary greater than the PM's, are you going to quibble about the tories' treatment of the poor, the disabled, the elderly or the school-leavers unable to afford F.E.?
It probably won't bother you that your paymasters don't actually fund you and your colleagues from their own money - no, they simply take it from the TV licence fees that they charge the public in order to provide the kind of propaganda they want, which you happily provide.
'So what, you may say; that's what it's all about, isn't it?' 'The young of today have got exactly the same opportunities as I had when I was young and went to university in order to get a degree in media studies....they need to get off their arses and get proper jobs!......and, and....I might add, they have all the rest of their lives to repay their student loans so what's the problem?'
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Tom
If they are happy to pay you a salary greater than the PM's, are you going to quibble about the tories' treatment of the poor, the disabled, the elderly or the school-leavers unable to afford F.E.?
It probably won't bother you that your paymasters don't actually fund you and your colleagues from their own money - no, they simply take it from the TV licence fees that they charge the public in order to provide the kind of propaganda they want, which you happily provide.
'So what, you may say; that's what it's all about, isn't it?' 'The young of today have got exactly the same opportunities as I had when I was young and went to university in order to get a degree in media studies....they need to get off their arses and get proper jobs!......and, and....I might add, they have all the rest of their lives to repay their student loans so what's the problem?'
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Tom
I have no envy for people who earn a lot more money than me, but I do think under successive governments since Mrs Thatcher, they have been paying less tax than they should have. Less tax for the top 5% means greater divide between rich and poor and more austerity for public services.
That has been one of the biggest factors that lead to brexit votes.
I welcome Mr Corbyn's plan to lower the threshold of 45% to 80k and introduce the 50% rate for earnings over 123k+
I also welcome Labour's plan to tax more the companies that pay very high salaries for the same reason.
About time too.
Here are some of the key players leading the war on ordinary people - the kind of people who have no say in how much tax they pay plus those who cannot work and those who cannot afford to eat, let alone afford their own home.
The key players don't want you to have any protection in law and believe your only entitlement is a few crumbs off the master's table if you have worked your guts out for 16 to 18 hours a day to further enrich their wealth.
Tom
The key players don't want you to have any protection in law and believe your only entitlement is a few crumbs off the master's table if you have worked your guts out for 16 to 18 hours a day to further enrich their wealth.
Tom
This has to be the most STUPID thing i'm likely to see today
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THE SUN SAYS
As Britain’s workers get poorer by the day, it’s vital Theresa May get big mandate to lower taxes AND inflation
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I'm sorry but there can be no excuse for anyone to believe that headline.
Isn't anyone going to ask what was stopping her before?
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THE SUN SAYS
As Britain’s workers get poorer by the day, it’s vital Theresa May get big mandate to lower taxes AND inflation
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I'm sorry but there can be no excuse for anyone to believe that headline.
Isn't anyone going to ask what was stopping her before?