You have convinced yourself but you haven't convinced me. We will have to agree to disagree on this.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Fine words reminiscent of the saying
There are no such things as Problems, only challenges
But the number of challenges is becoming a problem.
And the problem with your view is that Davis has announced that the cheap labour is going to continue, do you really believe brexit will affect that at all?
He has just killed that idea stone dead
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ok, so sell it to me. Don't describe current problems.
Show me how leaving the EU is going to mean all the industries and companies that are currently booming in the UK, or in many cases just surviving (I'm thinking health care here) with the benefit of the in your words "cheap and disposable labour from the EU" (bearing in mind we're currently in the EU
are going to continue with the current UK growth without this supply of cheap labour, bearing in mind again that UK unemployment is at record lows.So what policy / law etc can we introduce that we currently can't already, that will solve the problems in the UK.
I'm not debating the problems. I want you to explain to me how you see Brexit solving them.
I think Blair was pretty factual in his speech, the BBC did a fact check on his claims and it seems that brexit will affect around 82,000 EU citizens coming here without a job offer each year and I guess, we have to support with benefits.
I think the figure is significant enough.
I think the figure is significant enough.
Current EU law... gives Citizens of European Union countries ‘free movement’ rights within the EU. At present this gives them the right to live and work in the UK.
We don't have to pay benefits, or give free access to NHS.
Yes, and under current EU law we can send them back if after 3 months they don't have work. The fact we don't is because of our UK government policy... not the EU.
again from the Sun.
"After intense negotiations, the UK was eventually offered an “emergency brake” on migration which created a seven year window in which new EU arrivals could be denied benefits."
So we don't have to pay benefits.
The fact you think we do, is I'm afraid ignorance.
You know that is an alt-fact he was bigly in the army and got a purple heart for being wounded in the Viet-Nam war. Yes we won that one too! Commie...
We don't have to but we do.
There are about 30% of EU citizens residing in the UK and are currently inactive.
Brexit will cause a lot of them (about 1 million) to lose benefits and move out.
It may sound callous to many of us but brexit will reduce the housing crisis.
THe NHS will collapse without migrants,David Davis is currently admitting that we cant do without the migrants....note he is making these admissions whilst on a tour of Latvia,Lithuania and Estonia,I bet he wont say the same things when he gets back...like Boris these people forget its a small world now.
KudosDave
True, we don't have to, but we do. So who's fault is that, oh lets look. The Home Office, and who were they run by, oh yes, Teresa May. So they are blaming the EU for something that we've had control over, but not used the powers. So again not the EUs fault...
If you think us booting out the EU citizens on benefits... whilst at the same time Gray is compaining they are taking all the jobs.
As recognised by the New Statesmen here:
"EU migrants could be forgiven for being confused. Half the time they are depicted as job-pinching Stakhanovites: the rest of the time they are denounced as benefit-milking scroungers."
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/welfare/2016/06/how-much-do-benefits-paid-eu-migrants-cost-britain
also from that piece...
Immigrants were also reported to have contributed more than £3bn in income taxes, while claiming roughly £0.5bn in benefits.
How will Brexit solve the housing crisis, if we send EU citizens home, we're going to get a large number of pensioners back from the EU.
Simples! They will all be going to hospital within the first weeks because of the change of climate! The NHS will put them up. Oh wait a minute...
Do you mean Trump needs to move on,it seems him who is still going on about the election media and populist votes,I dont think Hilary has said anything.
KudosDave
Oh, look the NFU... the voice of farmers, they must be experts on farming.
yesterday expressing major concerns about labour shortages.
As many "leavers" don't seem to want to acknowlegde... WE NEED THIS MIGRANT LABOUR!!
Farmers have warned that food will “rot in the fields” and Britain will be unable to produce what it eats if the government cannot guarantee that growers will continue to have access to tens of thousands of EU workers after Brexit.
Meurig Raymond, president of the National Farmers’ Union, told the body’s annual conference in Birmingham that farmers and food processors, particularly in horticulture and poultry, were already having difficulty recruiting.
The value of the pound, which reduces the value of pay seasonal workers send home to EU countries, and uncertainty over longer-term UK residency rights are discouraging workers from eastern Europe. High levels of employment in countries such as Romania and Bulgaria are also squeezing the supply of workers.
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The NFU said it needed government to help encourage workers from elsewhere to come to the UK to help with jobs like strawberry-picking and processing chicken
yesterday expressing major concerns about labour shortages.
As many "leavers" don't seem to want to acknowlegde... WE NEED THIS MIGRANT LABOUR!!
Farmers have warned that food will “rot in the fields” and Britain will be unable to produce what it eats if the government cannot guarantee that growers will continue to have access to tens of thousands of EU workers after Brexit.
Meurig Raymond, president of the National Farmers’ Union, told the body’s annual conference in Birmingham that farmers and food processors, particularly in horticulture and poultry, were already having difficulty recruiting.
The value of the pound, which reduces the value of pay seasonal workers send home to EU countries, and uncertainty over longer-term UK residency rights are discouraging workers from eastern Europe. High levels of employment in countries such as Romania and Bulgaria are also squeezing the supply of workers.
Coming soon: turnips are the new kale
Read more
The NFU said it needed government to help encourage workers from elsewhere to come to the UK to help with jobs like strawberry-picking and processing chicken
Thats good,seems the homeless are keeping fit.the only weakness of brexit is the lack of a plan.
KudosDave
You missed the point, KTM.
We treat about 1 million economically inactive EU citizens at the moment very much like our own.
After brexit, not much will change for those with a job but a lot will for many among the 1 million without a job.
Nobody on the Democrat side has said a thing. That must mean they are agreeing with the huge landslide win when you discount the 5 million fake votes she got (yes last week it was 3 million but we found a couple million more!). And did you see the crowds? Biggest turnout ever for a presidential inauguration and the show with all those celebrities there to sing his praises. Add to that a 95% popularity rating - never before seen for a US president...
Must be true I read it in the Daily Mail
Quote...'Brits aren't yet ready to fill their jobs'....what does 'yet ready' mean...how much training does it need to clean hotel rooms or wash dishes in a restaurant or cut vegetables....or maybe Davis realises that the Brits just dont want to do these jobs.
When I was a teenager I actually did those jobs prior to Uni,why cant our people do them now?
KudosDave
In July just before the referendum we had 1304 applications from EU nurses to come here to work in the NHS.
After the referendum result that monthly rate rapidly fell.
By December it had slumped to 101.
That means we are already in trouble, as the severe shortage of nurses is showing. Now is a very bad time to need NHS hospital treatment.
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Its the height of hypocrisy that Tom sees all the fallacies in our free press and spends half his time telling leavers how brainwashed they are and he then holds Canary and Vox up as good examples of mass media. Its actually staggering . Yes, the Mail , Express etc are biased but the word doesn't start to describe Canary and Vox.
( Canary is nothing more than a Corbyn money making scheme)
And yes thanks Tom for confirming Canary ran an article about Sweden being invaded by Martians...not even the Star would run that one. If it was not such a serious issue it would be laughable. They deserve nothing but derision, its another example of remainers , well some of them, shooting themselves in both feet. I suspect Canary is probably financed by same funding as Blair now running for remain president. Both are loosing remain support.
The style of writing,topics of choice, conclusions and explanations on Canary are infantile at best. How on earth so called educated people can not see their motives is frightening.
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I thought Germany was much more generous than us when handing out benefits. Most of the EU migrants I know come here to work and save money.
KudosDave
There isn't much for her to say. She has no role. She lost to Donald.