Brexit, for once some facts.

oldtom

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Yes and it was a Labour government that introduced the majority of the PFI arrangements across the whole of the public sector. Despite the warnings, they went ahead with it and how badly it has turned out. Who is accountable now?
That is a pathetic attempt Tillson. You know perfectly well that the last Labour government was replaced by the tories in 1979 and the Labour Party has never held office since.

You choose to label the Rupert Murdoch-backed 'New Labour' party of centre-right politicians, led by Tony B-liar, to discredit good socialist politicians and conveniently ignore the fact that it was John Major's government which first implemented PFI.

'In 1992 PFI was implemented for the first time in the UK by the Conservative government of John Major.'

That is a straight lift from a respectable internet source.

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oldtom

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I see that paedophiles have crept onto the list. Do you think that you could add Paediatricians as well? It's just that it gives me and the other BREXIT voters more targets when we go out Paedo-Bashing of an evening. Thank you.
No, I wouldn't include those who care specifically for children in that short list but the thickos who have been committing crimes against paedos, (hugely increased since the referendum, according to reported figures), might well mistake those people for child molesters too.

The street thug posses, and now lynch-mobs, which have been empowered and emboldened by the huge support they have been given by people like you, who support 'Brexit' with all its attendant, racist rhetoric, delivered in easily-digested, (for the thick), soundbites by right-wing extremists are obviously acceptable in your little bubble.

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ok... so you're saying migration from the EU is causing the homeless in London.

funnily enough, if you read Shelter's website, they don't put the EU near the top of the list... in fact its not even on the list.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns_/why_we_campaign/tackling_homelessness/What_causes_homelessness

But I'll take it you don't like experts...

I'm guessing that you think people in the UK are homeless because immigrants have "come over here and taken their jobs"

in which case i challenge you to find me a single employer in the UK who wouldn't rather employ a Brit. The reasons they don't are plentiful, and the reasons they have to look abroad for labour is not because of the EU, but the fact the EU provides it is in my view a positive.

Also you'll see that because the UK doesn't have an unemployment problem, even in a post Brexit UK we'll still have to have our doors open to unskilled labour from Eastern Europe. This from David Davis this week.

Link from the Sun, so I can't be accused of linking to liberal elite media.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2923654/david-davis-promises-eastern-europe-uks-doors-will-stay-open-to-low-skilled-migrants/

EU workers will stay in the UK for “years and years” according to the Brexit minister – because Brits aren’t yet ready to fill their jobs.

David Davis made the comments as he sought to reassure Europe that Britain will keep its doors open to low-skilled workers in industries such as hospitality, agriculture and social care.
 

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Great report in The Canary Yesterday.
Apparently Sweden has been invaded by Mars.. ( their words not mine)
The actual article reads rather differently
https://www.thecanary.co/2017/02/21/conspiracy-theorists-claim-sweden-invaded-mars/
As usual you are putting a spin on the truth

"Apparently Sweden has been invaded by Mars.. ( their words not mine)"
Actually should read
Apparently Conspiracy Theorists Claim Sweden has been invaded by Mars.. ( their words not yours)
Was your comment intended to be funny?
If you feel like posting something humorous in future.
24 hours notice would be appreciated so we can see it wasn't just another lie and we can savour the experience
 
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The actual article reads rather differently
https://www.thecanary.co/2017/02/21/conspiracy-theorists-claim-sweden-invaded-mars/
As usual you are putting a spin on the truth

"Apparently Sweden has been invaded by Mars.. ( their words not mine)"
Actually should read
Apparently Conspiracy Theorists Claim Sweden has been invaded by Mars.. ( their words not yours)
Was your comment intended to be funny?
If you feel like posting something humorous in future.
24 hours notice would be appreciated so we can see it wasn't just another lie and we can savour the experience
It was one of their more factual reports. Sums them.up even giving it media space. Pathetic.
 
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gray198

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ok... so you're saying migration from the EU is causing the homeless in London.

funnily enough, if you read Shelter's website, they don't put the EU near the top of the list... in fact its not even on the list.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns_/why_we_campaign/tackling_homelessness/What_causes_homelessness

But I'll take it you don't like experts...

I'm guessing that you think people in the UK are homeless because immigrants have "come over here and taken their jobs"

in which case i challenge you to find me a single employer in the UK who wouldn't rather employ a Brit. The reasons they don't are plentiful, and the reasons they have to look abroad for labour is not because of the EU, but the fact the EU provides it is in my view a positive.

Also you'll see that because the UK doesn't have an unemployment problem, even in a post Brexit UK we'll still have to have our doors open to unskilled labour from Eastern Europe. This from David Davis this week.

Link from the Sun, so I can't be accused of linking to liberal elite media.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2923654/david-davis-promises-eastern-europe-uks-doors-will-stay-open-to-low-skilled-migrants/

EU workers will stay in the UK for “years and years” according to the Brexit minister – because Brits aren’t yet ready to fill their jobs.

David Davis made the comments as he sought to reassure Europe that Britain will keep its doors open to low-skilled workers in industries such as hospitality, agriculture and social care.
There are many companies who have used the EU as a source of cheap disposable labour. The one that I worked for did just that when the borders were opened to the Eastern block. They were employed in preference to locals because they were cheaper. Look at Sports Direct in North Derbyshire. The community has been swamped and locals are fed up with it. Who are the people sleeping under Marble Arch and why are they there?? You are only looking at this from your own business viewpoint because it will make it less profitable and more difficult. Do you think that all the people who have seen their communities changed forever are not entitled to have an opinion or a say in this because it is inconvenient for you. A new era is about to dawn. Instead of looking for all the negatives why not look for the opportunities and move on. I would suggest that those who do that are more likely to succeed in the future.
 
There are many companies who have used the EU as a source of cheap disposable labour. The one that I worked for did just that when the borders were opened to the Eastern block. They were employed in preference to locals because they were cheaper. Look at Sports Direct in North Derbyshire. The community has been swamped and locals are fed up with it. Who are the people sleeping under Marble Arch and why are they there?? You are only looking at this from your own business viewpoint because it will make it less profitable and more difficult. Do you think that all the people who have seen their communities changed forever are not entitled to have an opinion or a say in this because it is inconvenient for you. A new era is about to dawn. Instead of looking for all the negatives why not look for the opportunities and move on. I would suggest that those who do that are more likely to succeed in the future.
Your inability to see that my concerns with Brexit are born from something called empathy gives an insight into your state of mind. My concerns for this country and its citizens are based on lots of things, and yes my knowledge of trade from my current business, but its also effected by my previous work in education and the energy industry.

This "new era" you talk of isn't going to improve the conditions of the locals you're so worried about. Employers like Sports Direct employ immigrants, and will continue to, its just that in a post brexit world they might need to have a work permit. All this will do is push Sports Direct prices up, and who will that effect? The very people we're all worried about. If you think Brexit is going to make people employ locals who currently are out of work, you're mistaken for a host of reasons.

and as if to emphasize my point that the solution proposed by UKIP et al, is not going to solve the problems people need solving..

This from.

Arron Banks, the millionaire Ukip donor who founded the Leave.EU referendum campaign, described Mr Davis’s remarks as “quite astonishing”. “If you look at the figures, most people who voted for Brexit did so because of immigration and are going to ask what the point of it was if we don’t even control our own borders,” he said. “They are going to be very disappointed. But the Tories have always been the party of business so it is of no surprise that the government has sided with them over the voters.”

(splutter, guffaw, spasms, roll-on-floor-holding-belly, tears) Told you!
 

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